Used Hermle Uwf 851 for sale (140)

Year of construction: 2002, condition: excellent (used), HERMLE C 800 U CNC machining center Accessories incl.: among others: 3D touch probe, tool holder set, various clamping devices, chip tray, hydr. aggregate, double back-up Technical Data speed: 0- 18`000 rpm spindle nose: HSK-A63 Feeding speed: 1-35 m/min feed force: 8000 N X-axis: 800 mm Y-axis: 600 mm Z-axis: 500 mm dimensions of the machine: 2700 x 2210 x 2930 mm Weight: 8500 kg No responsibility is taken for the accuracy, completeness and timeliness of the information. Lhsdpemqk E Tjfx Ad Nob

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2001, operating hours: 20,222 h, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: 14631, travel distance X-axis: 800 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 600 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 500 mm, spindle speed (max.): 16,000 rpm, spindle diameter: 70 mm, No reserve price – guaranteed sale to the highest bidder! The payment deadline for the machine is 20/11/2025! Placing a bid obligates you to collect the machine within the period from 01/12/2025 to 05/12/2025! TECHNICAL DETAILS Travel distances Travel range X-axis: 800 mm Travel range Y-axis: 600 mm Travel range Z-axis: 500 mm Rapid traverse in X, Y, and Z axes: 35 m/min Max. spindle speed: 16,000 rpm Clamping table surface: 1,000 x 560 mm Spindle taper: HSK A63 (DIN 69063) Spindle diameter at front bearing: 70 mm MACHINE DETAILS Control: HEIDENHAIN TNC 430 Dimensions & Weight Dimensions (L x W x H): 3,300 x 2,400 x 3,000 mm Lhjdpfx Aoxnkwgod Nob Weight: 7,000 kg Coolant tank capacity: 300 l Operating hours Spindle hours: 20,222 h Power-on hours: 49,977 h EQUIPMENT 3D probing system Technical documentation Note: The mounting plate currently fixed on the worktable, as well as tool holders and tools, are not included in the scope of delivery or sale.

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 1999, operating hours: 26,863 h, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: 12803, travel distance X-axis: 600 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 450 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 450 mm, controller model: HEIDENHAIN TNC 430, spindle speed (max.): 12,000 rpm, No reserve price – guaranteed sale to the highest bidder! The payment deadline for the machine is 20.11.2025! Bidding constitutes an obligation for timely collection between 01.12.2025 and 05.12.2025! TECHNICAL DETAILS Travels Travel X: 600 mm Travel Y: 450 mm Travel Z: 450 mm Lhedpexnkfkjfx Ad Nob Feed range in X: 1–2,000/3,0000 mm/min Feed range in Y: 1–2,000/3,0000 mm/min Feed range in Z: 1–2,000/3,0000 mm/min Rapid traverse in X axis: 35 m/min Rapid traverse in Y axis: 35 m/min Rapid traverse in Z axis: 35 m/min Clamping table surface: 800 x 465 mm Max. spindle speed: 12,000 rpm Measuring system resolution: 0.1 µm Input unit measuring system: 0.1 µm Display increment measuring system: 0.1 µm MACHINE DETAILS CNC control: HEIDENHAIN TNC 430 Dimensions & Weight Dimensions (L x W x H): 2800 x 2100 x 2700 mm Weight: 6,700 kg Operating hours Spindle hours: 26,863 h CNC controller operation hours: 81,084 h EQUIPMENT Individual feed motors for each axis – three-phase (brushless) Note: The clamping devices (vices, chucks, etc.) mounted on the worktable are not included in the scope of sale or delivery. The machine is offered without tool holders and tools.

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2004, x-travel 650 mm y-travel 600 mm z-travel 500 mm control Sinumerik 840 D pl Siemens turning speed range - main spindle 20 - 28.000 min/-1 Lhodpfx Adjxmagzs Neb power capacity - main spindel 23 / 18 kW max. Torque 79 Nm tool taper HSK-A63 table surface area Ø 630 mm Swivel range A: +30° / -115 ° rotatable C: 360 ° max. table load 500 kg max. workpiece sizes Ø 630 x 313 mm table speed A:25 / C:65 min/-1 number of toolpositions 117 pos. max. tool diameter 90 (125) mm max. tool length 300 mm rapid traverse ( X / Y / Z ) 60 m/min Accelaration 10 m/s² feed power 8,5 kN total power requirement 43 kVA weight of the machine ca. 10,5 t dimensions of the machine ca. 8,5 x 5,5 x 3,0 m 5 Axis CNC - Machining Center Universal HERMLE - C 30 UP Dynamic - FASTEMS - incl. FASTEMS FPC-400 Pallet-System / 15-pos. - palletchanger - Tool-Magazine 117 pos. - ca. 9.000h Spindle-hrs. after change

Condition: like new (used), Year of construction: 2008, travel distance X-axis: 650 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 600 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 500 mm, rapid traverse X-axis: 45 m/min, rapid traverse Y-axis: 45 m/min, rapid traverse Z-axis: 45 m/min, controller model: Heidenhain iTNC530, table width: 960 mm, table length: 600 mm, overall weight: 9,000 kg, spindle speed (max.): 40,000 rpm, operating hours of spindle: 22,800 h, spindle nose: HSK E 40, number of spindles: 1, number of slots in tool magazine: 38, input voltage: 400 V, Equipment: documentation/manual, rotational speed infinitely variable, This machine has been used exclusively for copper processing. The coolant water supply is present but has not been used to date. In other words, a superb machine that has always done very light machining, has never seen coolant, and is equipped with a Weiss spindle running at 40,000 rpm. The machine comes as standard including: - Original documentation for the machine and the Weiss spindle - BLUM tool laser - Heidenhain TS-440 3D probe - Spindle and emulsion cooler - Lockable roof (harmonica style) Ljdsxgukbopfx Ad Njhb The machine can be inspected under power by appointment.

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2004, operating hours: 109,078 h, travel distance X-axis: 650 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 600 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 500 mm, rapid traverse X-axis: 45,000 m/min, rapid traverse Y-axis: 45,000 m/min, rapid traverse Z-axis: 45,000 m/min, controller model: Siemens 840 D, Equipment: chip conveyor, documentation/manual, rotational speed infinitely variable, Hermle C30 U Siemens 840D Machine HOURS: 109,078 h Spindle HOURS: 22,117 h - Spindle HSK-A63 10,000 rpm - 32 tool pockets - Rotary table SRT 280 mm with integrated clamping system SK50 (if not required, this can be closed or alternatively converted for use as a zero-point clamping system) Lhodoxcp Slspfx Ad Njb - External coolant supply - Internal coolant supply with paper band filter, 80 bar - Swarf flushing pistol - Chip conveyor - Handheld control unit - Automatic cabin door - 32 tool pockets plus 87 additional ZM87 positions - Thermal compensation - BLUM tool measurement on carriage - Renishaw probe - Chip container - Status indicator light The machine has been thoroughly inspected, and there is a geometry inspection protocol as well as circularity test measurements available. The machine can be viewed and tested under power at any time. Very well-maintained condition.

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2006, operating hours: 119,571 h, travel distance X-axis: 650 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 600 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 500 mm, rapid traverse X-axis: 45,000 m/min, rapid traverse Y-axis: 45,000 m/min, rapid traverse Z-axis: 45,000 m/min, controller model: Siemens 840 D, Equipment: chip conveyor, documentation/manual, rotational speed infinitely variable, Hermle C30 U Siemens 840D Machine ON: 119,571 h, Spindle ON: 56,792 h - Spindle HSK-A63 10,000 rpm - 32 tool stations - Rotary table SRT 280 mm with integrated clamping system HSK100 (if not needed, it can be covered or alternatively converted to a zero-point clamping system) - External coolant supply - Internal coolant supply with 80 bar paper band filter - Chip flushing gun - Chip conveyor - Handheld control module - Automatic cabin door - 32 tool stations plus 87 additional stations ZM87 - Thermal compensation - BLUM tool measurement on the side - Renishaw probe - Chip container Lhodpfx Ajxcp Srod Neb - Status light The machine has been thoroughly inspected and comes with a geometry report as well as circularity test measurements. The machine can be viewed and tested under power at any time. Very well-maintained condition.

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2004, operating hours: 77,711 h, travel distance X-axis: 650 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 600 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 500 mm, rapid traverse X-axis: 45,000 m/min, rapid traverse Y-axis: 45,000 m/min, rapid traverse Z-axis: 45,000 m/min, controller model: Heidenhain iTNC530, Equipment: chip conveyor, documentation/manual, rotational speed infinitely variable, Hermle C30 U Siemens 840D Machine ON: 77,711 h | Spindle ON: 16,294 h - Spindle HSK-A63, 10,000 rpm - 32 tool positions - Rotary table SRT 280 mm with integrated clamping system SK50 (can be closed off if not needed or converted for use as a zero-point clamping system) - External coolant supply - Internal coolant supply with 80 bar paper band filter - Chip flushing gun - Chip conveyor - Handheld control module - Automatic cabin door - 32 tool positions plus 87 additional positions (ZM87) - Thermal compensation - BLUM tool measurement (probe on machine column) - Renishaw measuring probe - Chip container - Status beacon The machine has been thoroughly inspected; a geometry protocol and circularity test measurements are available. The machine can be viewed and tested under power at any time. Ljdjxcp R Ispfx Ad Njhb Very well-maintained condition.

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 1999, Hermle C 600 V, year of manufacture 1999, Heidenhain TNC 430 control, travel X/Y/Z 600/450/450 mm, machine from first owner, table size 800 x 465 mm, spindle speed up to 12,000 rpm, 30-tool changer, SK 40 taper, 3D measuring probe, 9,400 spindle hours. Lhedpjxmg Eqofx Ad Nsb

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 1999, Hermle U 1000 T, Built in 1999, Heidenhain TNC 426 control, X/Y/Z travel 1000/630/550 mm, 16-station tool changer, SK 40 tool holder, Ljdpfxjwlqims Ad Nohb Spindle speed up to 7,000 rpm, Vertical spindle quill stroke 75 mm, Universal milling head 0-90°, Direct measuring systems, Table size 1200 x 630 mm, Heidenhain TS 632 touch probe, Electronic handwheel,

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2006, operating hours: 10,000 h, functionality: fully functional, NEW ARRIVAL 1 CNC MILLING MACHINE HERMLE C 600V, Year 2006 CNC CONTROL: HEIDENHAIN ITNC 530 TRAVEL PATHS: 600 x 450 x 450 mm - INFINITELY VARIABLE SPINDLE SPEED UP TO 10,000 RPM - MACHINE WITH ELECTRONIC HANDWHEEL - PROBE - APPROX. 30 TOOL HOLDERS - COOLANT SYSTEM - FIXED TABLE, ETC. PRICE ON REQUEST plus 19% VAT, ex location, unpacked, uninsured Lhodpfx Adexf Huve Nsb Technical data as per attachment, non-binding - errors and prior sale excepted. Delivery: immediately – subject to prior sale. Payment: strictly net, immediately upon receipt of invoice, before removal/collection. We are happy to show you the machine under power by arrangement, demonstrating all functions.

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2013, x-travel 650 mm y-travel 600 mm z-travel 500 mm Control iTNC 530 Heidenhain turning speeds 18.000 U/min power capacity - main spindel 10 / 15 kW tool taper HSK A 63 rotary table dia. 630 mm center bore 32 H7 Swivel range A: ° rotatable C: 360 ° max. table load 1.000 kg number of toolpositions 32 pos. tool taper HSK A 63 max. tool diameter 80 mm max. tool-dia with free toolbox 125 mm max. tool length 300 mm max. tool weight 8 kg rapid traverse ( X / Y / Z ) 60 m/min Accelaration 10 m/s² feed power 8.500 N total power requirement 43 kVA weight of the machine ca. 9,5 t Lhsdpouyl Tbofx Ad Nob dimensions of the machine ca. 15 x 7,5 x 3,5 m 5 Axis - CNC Machining Center Universal HERMLE - C 30 U Linear axes dynamic version 6-fold rotary union Blown air through the center of the spindle Automatic cabin door Rotating transparent window - incl. 32x HSK 63 holders - incl. 10x collets Also available as a production cell (2x Hermle C 30 U + Kuka Automation)

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2014, x-travel 650 mm y-travel 600 mm z-travel 500 mm Control iTNC 530 Heidenhain turning speeds 18.000 U/min power capacity - main spindel 10 / 15 kW tool taper HSK A 63 rotary table dia. 630 mm center bore 32 H7 Swivel range A: ° Lsdpfxjuyl Tho Ad Nohb rotatable C: 360 ° max. table load 1.000 kg number of toolpositions 32 pos. tool taper HSK A 63 max. tool diameter 80 mm max. tool-dia with free toolbox 125 mm max. tool length 300 mm max. tool weight 8 kg rapid traverse ( X / Y / Z ) 60 m/min Accelaration 10 m/s² feed power 8.500 N total power requirement 43 kVA weight of the machine ca. 9,5 t dimensions of the machine ca. 15 x 7,5 x 3,5 m 5 Axis - CNC Machining Center Universal HERMLE - C 30 U Linear axes dynamic version 6-fold rotary union Blown air through the center of the spindle Automatic cabin door Rotating transparent window - incl. 32x HSK 63 holders - incl. 10x collets Also available as a production cell (2x Hermle C 30 U + Kuka Automation)

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2013, x-travel 650 mm y-travel 600 mm z-travel 500 mm Control iTNC 530 Heidenhain turning speeds 18.000 U/min power capacity - main spindel 10 / 15 kW tool taper HSK A 63 rotary table dia. 630 mm center bore 32 H7 Swivel range A: ° rotatable C: 360 ° max. table load 1.000 kg number of toolpositions 32 pos. tool taper HSK A 63 max. tool diameter 80 mm max. tool-dia with free toolbox 125 mm max. tool length 300 mm max. tool weight 8 kg rapid traverse ( X / Y / Z ) 60 m/min Accelaration 10 m/s² feed power 8.500 N total power requirement 43 kVA weight of the machine ca. 9,5 t dimensions of the machine ca. 15 x 7,5 x 3,5 m 5 Axis - CNC Machining Center Universal Lhsdpfx Aouwv Dlod Njb HERMLE - C 30 U - 2x Hermle C 30 U Linear axes dynamic version 6-fold rotary union Blown air through the center of the spindle Automatic cabin door Rotating transparent window - 1x Kuka KR 180 R2900 prime 6 axes Load capacity: 180 kg Reach: 2,896 mm 66x spaces for workpiece pallets 2x changing places 1x turning station 8x gripper spaces - incl. 1x Schunk gripper - incl. 66x workpiece pallets - incl. 64x HSK 63 holders - incl. 20x collets Also available as a single machine Hermle C 30 U.

Condition: like new (used), Year of construction: 2008, functionality: fully functional, travel distance X-axis: 850 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 700 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 500 mm, rapid traverse X-axis: 45 m/min, rapid traverse Y-axis: 45 m/min, rapid traverse Z-axis: 45 m/min, controller model: Heidenhain iTNC530, table width: 1,070 mm, table length: 700 mm, overall weight: 10,000 kg, spindle speed (max.): 18,000 rpm, operating hours of spindle: 16,533 h, spindle nose: SK40, number of slots in tool magazine: 38, input voltage: 400 V, Equipment: documentation/manual, rotational speed infinitely variable, Once again, a very neat HERMLE C40V coming from a mold making workshop. The machine is in excellent condition and can also be viewed under power at our facility! This machine is standard equipped with: Blum tool laser, Heidenhain TS440 probe, custom-made coolant table, lockable roof (accordion style), original documentation, spindle and emulsion cooler. Lodpfx Aoxd U N Sed Nehb

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2007, functionality: fully functional, controller manufacturer: Heidenhain, table width: 480 mm, table length: 900 mm, overall weight: 7,300 kg, Equipment: documentation/manual, TECHNICAL DETAILS Fixed table: 900 x 480 mm MACHINE DETAILS Control: HEIDENHAIN Electrical Data Net weight: 7,300 kg Operating voltage: 400 V / 3~ Mains frequency: 50 Hz Control voltage: 24 V Total power: 26 kVA Lhodpfexl Sunjx Ad Nob Total rated current: 37 A Weight: 6,300 kg EQUIPMENT Tool changer

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2004, operating hours: 48,702 h, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: 16261, travel distance X-axis: 650 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 600 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 500 mm, controller model: Siemens Sinumerik 840 D pl , spindle speed (max.): 28,000 rpm, TECHNICAL DETAILS Travel Paths X-axis travel: 650 mm Y-axis travel: 600 mm Z-axis travel: 500 mm Main Spindle Spindle speed range: 20 – 28,000 rpm Spindle drive power: 23 / 18 kW Max. torque: 79 Nm Tool taper: HSK-A63 Lhodexbz A Hspfx Ad Nob NC Rotary Swivel Table Clamping surface: Ø 630 mm Swivel range A: +30° / -115° Rotatable C: 360° Max. table load: 500 kg Max. workpiece dimensions: Ø 630 x 313 mm Table rotation speed A: 25 / C: 65 rpm Tool Changer Number of tool stations: 117 Max. tool diameter: 90 mm Max. tool length: 300 mm Feed Rates Rapid traverse (X / Y / Z): 60 m/min Acceleration: 10 m/s² Feed force: 8.5 kN MACHINE DETAILS Control: Siemens Sinumerik 840 D pl Space Requirement & Weight Required space approx.: 8.5 x 5.5 x 3.0 m Machine weight approx.: 10,500 kg Total power requirement: 43 kVA Operating hours: 48,702 h EQUIPMENT - Documentation - High-pressure cooling - Coolant system - Internal coolant supply: 80 bar / 1,300 l - Electronic handwheel - Fully enclosed cabin - FASTEMS pallet pool / 15 positions - Chip conveyor - Paper band filter - Renishaw probe - Tool breakage monitoring Note: Transport lifting gear must be provided by the buyer. The pallet system cannot be observed under power. The Fastems controller is defective.

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 1997, x-travel 600 mm y-travel 450 mm z-travel 400 mm Control Heidenhain 430 ITNC tool taper SK 40 Lsdpfewbi A Dsx Ad Nehb voltage 400 V control voltage 24 V weight of the machine ca. 6 t - Operating hours: 48,690 - Max. table load: 1,000 kg - Machine weight: 6,000 kg - Includes tool holders – SK40 - Includes all descriptions - Includes programming manual – Heidenhain - Includes 1 machine vice - Includes clamping claws

Condition: ready for operation (used), machine/vehicle number: 5722, table mounting size: 190 x 710 mm table movement x: 390/360 mm table movement y: 150 mm table movement z: 280 mm spindle taper: SK 40 spindle turning speed range: 100 - 3100 rpm carriages longitudinal: 0 - 600 mm/min electrical connection: 380 V, ca. 1,5 kW space needed: 1400 x 1200 x 1500 mm weight: ca. 680 kg Ljdpfxeflrg Te Ad Nshb

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2004, functionality: fully functional, travel distance X-axis: 400 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 500 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 450 mm, spindle speed (min.): 16,000 rpm, The machine is in good technical condition, featuring a Heidenhain TNC 426 control system, a magazine for 20 HSK 63 tools, including a probe + 4th axis. Lhedpfx Aoxfg Ayed Nob

Condition: used, Hermle H 2 milling machine with accessories Lhedjugv Nwopfx Ad Neb

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 1998, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: 12263, travel distance X-axis: 875 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 500 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 500 mm, spindle speed (max.): 7,000 rpm, quill stroke: 75 mm, No reserve price – guaranteed sale to the highest bidder! TECHNICAL DETAILS Travel X / Y / Z: 875 / 500 / 500 mm Quill stroke: 75 mm Table NC table: 500 mm C-axis: 360° B-axis: ±30° Rotational speed: 11 rpm Lhjdpsw Rc Abjfx Ad Njb Resolution: 0.001° Component accuracy: ±15'' Table load capacity: 300 kg Drive Drive power (100% / 40% duty cycle): 7.5 / 11 kW Torque (100% / 40% duty cycle): 266 / 390 Nm Speed range: 20 – 7,000 rpm Vertical milling head Quill stroke (vertical and transverse): 75 mm Swivel range: 0 – 90° Feed drives Feed forces X, Y and Z: 8,000 N Rapid traverse: 15 m/min Feed screw diameter and pitch: 32 / 10 mm Measuring system Direct path measuring system, resolution: 0.0001 mm Position tolerance Tp in X-Y-Z axes according to VDI/DGQ 3441: 0.010 mm Tool system Spindle taper: SK 40 (similar to DIN 2079, for tool holders according to DIN 69871 A) Number of tool stations: 16 Tool diameter: 80 mm Tool diameter with free adjacent stations: 100 mm Tool length: 250 mm Tool weight: 6 kg MACHINE DETAILS Control unit: Heidenhain TNC 410 Electrical data Operating voltage: 400 V / 50 Hz Total connected load: 14 kVA Dimensions & Weight Dimensions (L x W x H): 3.0 x 2.3 x 2.2 m Weight: 4,800 kg

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2006, Opportunity to purchase this outstanding 5-axis HERMLE C30U including RS automation, an additional tool magazine ZM157 and multiple pallets. Available for immediate delivery and can be inspected in operation upon appointment. More information on request. Control HEIDENHAIN iTNC 530 Lhsdpfsxbr Rhex Ad Njb X-axis travel 650 mm Y-axis travel 600 mm Z-axis travel 500 mm Spindle speed range 18000 rpm 1/MIN Spindle hours 54225h Tool taper SK 40 Tool Magazine Additional magazine ZM157 (157 positions) Nc swivel rotary table diameter 280 mm Features: Tool Breakage/Measurement: BLUM tool breakage/measurement Measuring Probe: Heidenhain Event Messenger: Available Electrical Heat Compensation: Provided External Blowing Air: Provided Oil Mist Extraction: Provided Chip Trolley: 450 liters Rotating Transparent Window: Available Additional Accessories: Manual control module, flange for extraction 1, bed flushing, sealing air for scales, machine license TCS-Soflex Table axis: a-axis off-center Table specification: 6-way rotary feed through Internal coolant supply: 80 Filter: paper belt filter Conveyor: scraper belt conveyor Automatic cabin door: yes Polycarbonate safety glass: windows Frequency: 50 hz Please note: The information on this page has been obtained to the best of our ability and belief. This information is provided in good faith, but its accuracy is not guaranteed. Accordingly, this information is not binding and does not constitute a contractual condition. We recommend that you check all essential details during an inspection of the machine. To save unnecessary travel costs for our customers, in most cases we recommend organizing a live video inspection.

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2004, Manufacturer: HERMLE Type: U 1130 Year of manufacture: 2004 Control: Heidenhain iTNC 530 Machine weight: approx. 8500 kg Tool holder: SK 40 X travel: 1300 mm Y travel: 720 mm Z travel: 630 mm Speed range: 18000 rpm Max. table load: 700 kg Operating hours: 50,775 Spindle hours: 21,654 Lodpfxjv S Alns Ad Njhb Space required: approx. 3600 x 4500 x 2800 mm Table size: 800 x 1000 Number of tools in magazine: 28 positions Internal coolant supply: 80 bar 3D measuring probe: TS 640 5 axes simultaneous

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2003, Make: HERMLE Type of machine: C 800 U Year of manufacture: 2003 Control system: Siemens 840D Machine's weight: 9.000,- Tool holder: SK40 x-travel: 800 mm y-travel: 600 mm z-travel: 500 mm Speed range: 16.000 min-1 Ljdpfx Adjtmtxmj Nshb Number of tools in the magazine: 80 Pl.