Used Welding Cell for sale (6,601)

Condition: refurbished (used), Year of construction: 2011, functionality: fully functional, year of last overhaul: 2011, Equipment: CE marking, documentation/manual, Friction welding machine from the manufacturer MTI, equipped for welding turbochargers. The machine is equipped with: - Siemens PLC, CPU 315, - Rexroth hydraulics - German user interface - CE marking Dkodsv Uzf Ejpfx Albjt Upon request, this machine can also be converted for many other welding tasks. We can also produce your friction welding joints, up to 300 tons of clamping force. Please contact us for further information!

Condition: used, functionality: unexamined, type of input current: three-phase, total height: 3,000 mm, total length: 3,000 mm, input voltage: 380 V, type of cooling: water, welding current at 60% duty cycle: 1,000 A, welding current at 100% duty cycle: 800 A, welding current (min.): 250 A, welding current (max.): 1,250 A, Used ESAB submerged arc welding (SAW) system for sale, manufactured by ESAB AB / ESAB Welding Equipment AB, Sweden. The system is designed for mechanized submerged arc welding (SAW), including tandem welding AC/DC. It is suitable for welding long, straight seams, beams, profiles, sheet metal structures, cylindrical products, vessels, tanks, and heavy welded structures. Manufacturer: ESAB AB / ESAB Welding Equipment AB Country: Sweden Process: SAW – Submerged Arc Welding Type: Mechanized welding system / tandem welding system Inscription: UP Tandemschweißen Welding: DC + AC with ESAB power sources Welding head: Available, with flux hopper Work beam / chassis: Long ESAB welding beam / tractor Condition: Dismantled / stored, available for inspection Welding power sources ESAB TAE 800 Parameter Data Model ESAB TAE 800 Range 300 A / 28 V – 800 A / 44 V 100% duty cycle 800 A / 44 V 60% duty cycle 1000 A / 44 V Power supply 400 / 415 / 460 / 500 V, 50 Hz Protection IP23 ESAB LAE 1250 Parameter Data Model ESAB LAE 1250 Type Welding rectifier Range 250 A / 24 V – 1250 A / 44 V 100% duty cycle 1250 A / 44 V Power supply 220 / 380 / 415 / 500 V, 50 Hz Protection IP22 Weight 490 kg Data from the tandem welding plate Mode Current Voltage Direct current / DC 520 – 580 A 28 – 30 V Alternating current / AC 550 – 620 A 34 – 36 V Travel speed: 680 – 800 mm/min. Included components: long ESAB welding beam / chassis; welding head; flux hopper; cables and hoses; Djdpezimbksfx Albekt control boxes; ESAB TAE 800; ESAB LAE 1250; submerged arc welding equipment. Condition: The system is used and is currently dismantled / stored out of active operation. Visible signs of use, dust, dirt, and storage are present. It is sold in its current condition, with the equipment shown in the pictures. On-site inspection and technical verification by the buyer are recommended before purchase.

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2011, functionality: fully functional, Press force: 36 t Bending length: 1020 mm Distance between uprights: 932 mm Overhang: 150 mm Stroke: 120 mm Usable installation height: 295 mm Y-axis working speed: 10/25 mm/sec Y-axis rapid traverse: 220 mm/sec Working height: 1150 mm Machine weight approx.: 2,600 kg Space requirement approx.: 1805 x 1330 x 2380 mm Dsdpfx Aszwla Ujlbekt TruBend 7036 Cell Edition Standard equipment: TruBend 7036 Cell Edition: - Electromechanical direct drive (torque motor) - Rear stop system with 6 axes and stop sensors - Positionable Wila tool clamping system - Control cabinet air conditioning BendMaster: - Stable base and manipulator - Load capacity 15 kg, max. sheet weight 3 kg - Floor-mounted track, welded construction with stable guide rail - Travel range 3215 mm - Gripper coupling on the BendMaster - Electric drives - Tongs with jaws LoadMaster Bend: - Handling system - Multi-suction device - Double sheet detection and singulation - Transfer system - System pallet Safety: - Protective enclosure with pivoting sliding doors Control: - PC control with 19" touchscreen - Mobile operating terminal - Network connection - Remote service via the Internet

Condition: like new (used), Year of construction: 2020, operating hours: 200 h, functionality: fully functional, arm reach: 1,437 mm, For sale: Panasonic robotic TIG welding workstation purchased from ValkWelding. Workstation includes: Panasonic TM 1400 G3 robot (6 axes, reach 1437 mm, payload 6 kg), two-axis L positioner PD1000/500, TIG welding unit Tetrix 352 AC/DC Synergic CW, accessories, and safety equipment. This workstation is distinguished by its ability to safely weld not only steels and stainless steels but also aluminum. The process is highly synchronized with wire feeding and is capable of seam tracking and adapting to changes in arc height. A very versatile device. Djdpfx Aley Efmgebjkt I am selling this system because our original capacity expectations have not been met (we don’t have work in the hundreds or thousands of pieces). Over its entire lifetime (approximately 5 years), the workstation was powered on for around 200 hours and did actual test welding for less than an hour in total. It is practically in like-new condition. It would be a pity for it to just “collect dust.” All support has been directly provided by ValkWelding. In case of sale, they will arrange installation, commissioning, and personnel training as agreed.

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2000, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: 52.693.00, feed length X-axis: 1,525 mm, feed length Y-axis: 1,525 mm, feed rate Y-axis: 1 m/min, feed rate Z-axis: 1 m/min, Welding Robot – Fully Equipped Vertical Bend Arm Robot 6 axes Dkodjrl S Ufopfx Albjt Reach: 1525 mm Equipped with automatic welding gun, type: DIX MALZ 520 Wire feed device, manufacturer: FRONIUS, type: ROB.VR1500 DINSE-ZA Includes 2 rotary welding tables Plate dimensions: each 1200 × 750 mm Pneumatically driven cleaning device Positioning and straightening station for the torch Current source, manufacturer: FRONIUS, type: welding device TPS 4000 Supplied with technical documentation Note: The machine can be transported on a standard truck. Technical Attributes Dimensions (L × W × H): approx. 4700 × 3500 × 3800 mm Weight: approx. 5000 kg Year of construction: 2000

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2026, functionality: fully functional, type of input current: three-phase, total height: 1,200 mm, total width: 730 mm, total length: 1,200 mm, input voltage: 380 V, ground cable length: 3,000 mm, overall weight: 205 kg, warranty duration: 12 months, type of cooling: water, hose package length: 5,000 mm, input current: 16 A, laser power: 3,000 W, input frequency: 50 Hz, laser wavelength: 1,080 nm, continuous power: 3,000 kW (4,078.86 HP), Equipment: documentation/manual, type plate available, Handheld Laser Welding Machine SURE3 kW – Top Technology for Efficient Sheet Metal Welding Discover the smart and powerful solution for precise laser welding: The SURE handheld laser welding system with 3,000 watts of power! Perfectly suited for demanding sheet metal processing – efficient, safe, and flexible to use. Highlights and Features: Power: 3,000 watts for the highest welding quality and speed Laser wavelength: 1080 nm, continuous operation with a modulation frequency of up to 20 kHz Handheld laser welding head – optimally positioned for comfortable operation Robust housing, intelligent internal structure for maximum service life Touchscreen display for easy operation Automatic multi-function wire feed possible Safety features: Three-color alarm, safety interlocks, protection mechanism against incorrect operation Cooling via a separate water circuit with a 13-liter tank volume CE-certified components according to European standards. Your Advantages Dkedpfoy R I Tgox Albot Work safely thanks to extensive protection mechanisms and alarm systems Flexible application possibilities, including automatic wire feed and robot integration Low operating costs and easy maintenance thanks to well-designed technology and durable components.

Condition: like new (used), Year of construction: 2018, Laser Welding Robotic system for welding steel, stainless steel. Scope of supply: 1 x YASKAWA 6-axis robot YASKAWA HP20RD.(Payload: 20kg, H-Reach: 2017mm, Robot Mass: 293kg, 2010.04) 1 x YASKAWA DX100 controller.(2010.05). 1 x IPG YLS-4000.(2017). 1 x IPG CHILLER.(2017). 1 x HIGHYAG BIMO LASER WELDING HEAD(S.N.:BIMO2W17013). Machine can be inspected. Very good condition. Connected, can be tested. Shipping to EU countries is our responsibility and the shipping cost is free. Djdpoh Ad E Ujfx Albokt

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2017, functionality: unexamined, We offer this well-maintained Förster Welding Systems 4225 railing welding fixture, year 2017. Manufacturer: Förster Welding Systems Model: 4225 Year of manufacture: 2017 Condition: good Category ID: 96 Type ID: 2257 Dkedey N A U Aopfx Albst Machine type: railing welding fixture If you have any questions or need more information, feel free to send us a message or call us.

Condition: new, Year of construction: 2025, HW 3 in 1 Welding cleaning Cutting with 2kw Max laser power is the most modern Laser - Welding - Cleaning and Cutting machine in one. Special software and parameter setting in this laser machine make it posible that you can use it for Cleaning , cutting and welding. Most customers use a welding machine in max 20% of the time, the same is for Cleaning and fine cutting. we deliver 3 in 1 machine from 1,5 - 2 and 3 Kw include wire feeder include in the price Welding seam requirements: ≤0.5mm Welding speed: 0-120mm/s Cooling method: dual temperature dual control intelligent refrigerator Operation temperature range: 5-40℃ Price is EXW (Stock Europe), Include loaded on truck. Transport, installation, commissioning, training, and yearly service contracts are available upon request for an additional fee. Installation and training is always done by our high qualified Djdpfx Aek Radijlbokt Service team in 3 locations in Europe. Netherlands, Germany, Romania.

Condition: excellent (used), Machine ready for operation. 1000-litre tank. 500-litre tank. The station was used for cleaning a soup and mayonnaise production line. Please check my other listings as well. Dkedpfsytm Tijx Albst

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2023, functionality: fully functional, type of input current: three-phase, total height: 1,200 mm, total width: 790 mm, total length: 1,200 mm, input voltage: 380 V, ground cable length: 3,000 mm, overall weight: 205 kg, warranty duration: 12 months, type of cooling: water, hose package length: 5,000 mm, input current: 16 A, laser power: 2,000 W, laser wavelength: 1,080 nm, Equipment: documentation/manual, type plate available, Handheld Laser Welding Machine AIRTECH 2kW – Top Technology for Efficient Sheet Metal Welding Demonstration Unit – Excellent Condition Discover the smart and high-performance solution for precise laser welding: the Airtech handheld laser welding system with 2,000 watts of power! Perfectly suited for demanding sheet metal fabrication – efficient, safe, and highly versatile. Highlights and Features: - Power output: 2,000 watts for superior weld quality and speed Djden Sl Dbopfx Albokt - Laser wavelength: 1080 nm, continuous operation with modulation frequency up to 20 kHz - Handheld laser welding head – ideally designed for ergonomic operation - Robust housing and intelligent internal structure for maximum durability - Touchscreen display for intuitive operation - Optional automatic multifunctional wire feeder - Safety features: three-color alarm, safety interlocks, and protection against operating errors - Cooling via separate water circuit with 13-liter tank capacity - CE-certified components according to European standards Your Benefits - Work safely thanks to comprehensive protection mechanisms and alarm systems - Flexible applications, including automatic wire feed and robot integration - Low operating costs and easy maintenance due to well-designed engineering and long-life components For more information or consultation, the Airtech team will be happy to assist you!

Condition: new, Year of construction: 2026, Equipment: documentation/manual, Laser welding machine with 3 kW laser power, laser components from Siemens - welding machine with genuine CE and therefore also German manual, risk analysis and everything that is required to be able to operate a laser welding system in Germany. Wire feed case, also with genuine CE, is also included in the delivery. An introduction can take place here in the company. Dsdpfsn Sl D Rox Albekt

Condition: new, Year of construction: 2026, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: 000000000000001, overall weight: 200 kg, load capacity: 5 kg, arm reach: 900 mm, pivoting range: 360 °, controller model: MC-05 Controller, teach pendant model: Teach Pendant Serie MC, control cabinet width: 440 mm, control cabinet height: 290 mm, input voltage: 400 V, input current: 32 A, type of input current: three-phase, repeat accuracy: 0.02 mm, warranty duration: 24 months, wire diameter (max.): 2 mm, protection type (IP code): IP54, welding current (max.): 500 A, Equipment: CE marking, documentation/manual, type plate available, METALSELF CI SERIES COLLABORATIVE ROBOT CELLS – WELDING AND FLEXIBLE AUTOMATION ⚠️ CURRENT PROMOTION: Contact us to discover the exceptional discounts currently available on the entire Metalself cobot range! We offer "Plug & Play" collaborative production cells, customizable to your specific needs with the entire Metalself CI Series cobot range. A smart and scalable investment that combines the precision of robotics with human flexibility, with a rapid return on investment thanks to significantly lower operating costs compared to traditional robotics. INTEGRATED WELDING PACKAGE Our cells are designed with native and optimized integration for welding processes (MIG/MAG, TIG, Laser). Supplied complete with intuitive proprietary software, they can compensate for the shortage of specialized welders. -Drag-to-Teach: Quick programming by manually guiding the arm in "zero-gravity" mode. -Advanced functions: Weaving (for vertical welds), multi-layer welding for deep joints, and Array function for matrix welding on component tables. ONE ROBOT, ENDLESS APPLICATIONS Metalself cobots are not limited to welding. Thanks to the open architecture (LUA, C/C++, Python, ROS languages) and the integrated I/O interface, the same machine can be reprogrammed in just a few minutes for over 200 industrial scenarios. Purchasing a Metalself cobot means having an tireless operator for: -Machine Tending: Automatic and continuous loading and unloading of metal or plastic components on CNC machining centers, lathes, and presses. -Palletizing and Logistics: Transfer of materials, packaging, and stacking of boxes at the end of the line 24/7 (ideal with the CI-16 and CI-20 models). -Screwing and Assembly: Micro-precision operations for the automotive and electronics (3C) industries, interfaceable with machine vision systems. THE COMPLETE RANGE (From 3 kg to 20 kg) We configure your cell by choosing the perfect cobot for your requirements: * CI-03: Payload 3 kg / Reach 600 mm * CI-05: Payload 5 kg / Reach 900 mm * CI-10: Payload 10 kg / Reach 1300 mm * CI-16: Payload 16 kg / Reach 1000 mm * CI-20: Payload 20 kg / Reach 1650 mm SAFETY Dkodpfxezxhmys Albet All models are equipped with advanced collision detection and 5 safety functions that comply with EN ISO 13849-1 (PL d) regulations. They work in close proximity to personnel without the need for expensive and bulky perimeter fences, with full CE certification. DELIVERY TIMES AND QUOTES * Supply times: Cells are manufactured and delivered in 40-50 working days. Request a personalized quote: contact us, explaining your application (welding, machine tending, palletizing). Our technicians will configure the cell to your specific needs, selecting the ideal arm and necessary accessories, and applying the current promotional discount.

Condition: new, Year of construction: 2025, HW 1.5kW is a high-performance, compact fiber laser welding machine designed for maximum efficiency and precision. Dksdpfxszkkaye Albet Technical Specifications: Laser Source Power: 1.5 kW (MAX Laser Source) Welding Speed: 0 - 120 mm/s Welding Spot Adjustment: 0 – 5 mm (Spiral Wobble function) Wire Feeding: Automatic system included Fiber Cable Length: 15 meters Power Supply: 220V / 380V Dimensions: 1,000 x 630 x 910 mm Weight: 230 kg Certification: CE Price is EXW (Stock Europe), Include loaded on truck. Transport, installation, commissioning, training, and yearly service contracts are available upon request for an additional fee. Installation and training is always done by our high qualified Service team in 3 locations in Europe. Netherlands, Germany, Romania.

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2004, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: 00117, type of input current: three-phase, nominal power at 50% duty cycle: 90 kVA, input voltage: 400 V, type of cooling: water, welding power (max.): 245 kVA, nominal power (apparent): 90 kVA, air pressure: 6.5 bar, input frequency: 50 Hz, Equipment: type plate available, TECNA 2117 industrial DC inverter resistance welding machine, manufactured in Italy in 2004. The machine was previously used in production for resistance welding of aluminum trays. It is offered as a complete welding system as shown in the photos, including the custom-built supporting base/workstation and the integrated water cooling/chiller system used for cooling the welding arms and electrodes. The machine is equipped with programmable electronic welding control, pneumatic electrode actuation, program selection, and water-cooled welding electrodes. Technical specifications: Manufacturer: TECNA Model / Item: 2117 Serial No.: 00117 Year of manufacture: 2004 Type: DC inverter resistance welder Supply voltage: 400 V Frequency: 50 Hz Phases: 3 Nominal power at 50% duty cycle: 90 kVA Maximum welding power: 245 kVA Secondary no-load voltage: 9.4 V Maximum welding current: 32 kA Maximum electrode force: 736 daN Water cooling requirement: 10 l/min Compressed air supply pressure: 6.5 bar TECNA machine net weight: 178 kg Equipment and features: Programmable electronic welding controller Multiple welding program selection Pneumatic welding head Copper welding electrodes Water-cooled welding arms/electrodes Custom-built supporting base/workstation Integrated water cooling/chiller system Dkedpfx Aezx D Tcolbst Pressure regulation and pressure gauge Emergency stop Three-phase industrial power supply The complete assembly shown in the photos is included in the sale, including the TECNA welding machine, control equipment, custom-built supporting structure, and cooling/chiller unit. Previously used in an industrial production environment for welding aluminum trays. The machine is currently installed on its supporting structure and is available for inspection in Greece. EXW Greece. Loading and transport are at the buyer's cost and responsibility.

Year of construction: 2006, condition: good (used), Flame cutting system, torch, oxyfuel cutting system, machine cutting torch, flame cutting machine, cutting torch, cutting machine, oxyfuel cutting machine, gas cutting torch -Manufacturer: Messer Cutting & Welding, machine cutting torch, flame cutting machine -Type: Quicky -Cutting speed: adjustable Dkodpfx Aexy Hqtslbjt -Voltage: 230 V 40 W -Dimensions: 520/280/H330 mm -Weight: 7.8 kg

Condition: like new (used), Year of construction: 2012, operating hours: 90 h, functionality: fully functional, type of input current: three-phase, total height: 1,100 mm, total width: 500 mm, total length: 1,200 mm, overall weight: 60 kg, Offer little used welding set Orbital welding of pipes on site (with or without oscillation, depending on pipe thickness) with assembly! Pipe diameter from 25–115 mm Pipe thickness from 1–8 mm Dkjdpfxjv Di S Ej Albot Inside includes a pipe cutter, welding arm, remote control, equipment with cooling system everything you see in the pictures. Length x width x height 1200 × 500 × 1100

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2008, functionality: fully functional, overall weight: 1,000 kg, total width: 155 mm, total length: 120 mm, total height: 515 mm, volume flow: 8,600 m³/h, Filtercapacity: 4.300 - 8.600 m3 per hour Filtering and collecting Smoke & Dust Country of origin: Sweden Total size LxBxH: 120 x 155 x 515 cm Dsdjzzf Akjpfx Albekt Weight: 1000 kg

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2021, functionality: fully functional, input voltage: 400 V, overall weight: 100 kg, feed rate X-axis: 25 m/min, feed rate Y-axis: 25 m/min, feed rate Z-axis: 25 m/min, type of cooling: water, input current: 16 A, laser power: 300 W, input frequency: 50 Hz, laser wavelength: 1,064 nm, travel distance X-axis: 120 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 110 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 800 mm, continuous power: 9 kW (12.24 HP), Equipment: type plate available, We are selling a like-new ALM300. It underwent a complete service in September 2026 and a new laser unit, including a flash lamp, was installed. The price was €12,500.00 excluding VAT. Includes special equipment: Dodpfx Ajzyzwnjlbokt Tilting-swiveling objective, LED-UW Ergonomic wedge, 5-25 degrees Aluminum light case Camera set ALFT-HDMI Optional, if required: Laser protection curtain, 2x 4300x2100mm, €3,000.00 Extraction and filter system LN 260 ZA-W3, €3,000.00 (filter in like-new condition) Laser safety glasses, 2x, €500.00 New price: €130,000.00

Condition: ready for operation (used), Rehm Tiger 210 DC Welding Machine Manufacturer: REHM Model: TIGER 210 DC Welding processes: WIG DC / MMA Welding current WIG: 3–210 A Welding current MMA: 3–170 A WIG 100% duty cycle: 175 A (20 °C) WIG 100% duty cycle: 140 A (40 °C) MMA 100% duty cycle: 160 A (20 °C) MMA 100% duty cycle: 120 A (40 °C) Mains voltage: 230 V / 50 Hz Dedpjzy Eqlsfx Albjkt You are welcome to visit us for a viewing. We can also arrange affordable shipping for you! You will receive a proper invoice. For international customers, a net invoice can also be issued. A valid VAT identification number is required. Subject to prior sale. Visit our shop and check out our other offers. The company names and trademarks mentioned are the property of their respective owners and are used solely for identification and description of the products. Deviations from technical data and errors in the description of the item may occur and are subject to change.

Year of construction: 2015, condition: used, A central welding fume extraction system is offered. Airflow: 30000m³/h, airflow: 30000m³/h, motor power: 30kW, compressed air connection: 6-8bar, max. static pressure: 2500Pa, duty cycle: 100%, control: PLC. The system is equipped with 2 spark traps and various ductwork components (extraction arms and hoods not included). An inspection is possible by arrangement. Dedpfx Aljzy Rvtjbskt

Condition: new, Year of construction: 2022, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: 21_0346, NEW - NEVER USED heavy-duty positioner for manual or robotic welding - lifting and turning device. Special Device for Special Tasks designed and produced by FÖRSTER welding systems GmbH. Max diameter of the workpiece: 2500 mm Max weight of the workpiece: 20 tons Dimensions of the welding positioner: 7000x3000x3750 mm Weight [without counterweigh]: 20 000 kg Overall dimensions of the whole system: 8900x4800x3750 mm Total weight of the whole system: 40 000 kg Counterweight included with the machine. Full documentation available. Manufacturer's technical support on request. Machine located in central Poland. Dodpfxjurlcre Albekt

Year of construction: 2011, condition: used, functionality: unexamined, US welding system with UPS 20L - Ultrasonic generator Martin Walter MW 2000 WMI - The previously installed printer is missing - One or two air hoses are leaking - A test camera is missing - Shipping is possible for an additional charge. Dodpfxezlnb Re Albokt

Year of construction: 1997, condition: used, The equipment will be available for sale starting March 2027, as it is currently still in use within the production process Please state your offer price. Dksdpfoza T A Rex Albet Price without packaging and transportation; Payment in advance. You need to make us a price offer is you are interested about the machine. The hand over will be at our location Terms of delivery: EXW Cugir, Romania The buyer can assist in disassembling the machine. The buyer is responsible for transporting the machine. We organize only the loading part of the machine on the trailer/truck with forklift/crane

Condition: as good as new (ex-display), JUNE OFFER: -10% on all welding equipment throughout June. We offer welding equipment in various configurations and always have several sets in stock. CMT / ROBOT / CMT hose packages, UNIVERSAL or HOLLOW WAVE robots. Everything is in stock and immediately available! Dsdpfx Ajhzhynolbekt Don’t hesitate and request your individual configuration! We also have a wide variety of spare parts in stock – discounts of 30%, 50%, and 70%. Just send a short email, call, or use WhatsApp. CMT equipment at 1/3 of the new price! - 66% DISCOUNT ALL EQUIPMENT CAN BE INSPECTED IN VIENNA and purchased without waiting! The prices quoted are all from ... Euro. The prices/offers are individually tailored to the equipment configuration. .) Fronius power source (TPS 4000 CMT) .) Fronius cooling unit (FK 4000) .) Fronius VR CMT wire feeder .) Fronius intermediate hose package .) Fronius trolley .) Fronius hose package CMT robot .) Fronius RCU 5000i Example images of the item. Please see the numerous YouTube videos on the topic of CMT! Also reachable via WhatsApp and Viber. In stock in Vienna 1230. Shipping on a pallet is possible for an additional charge: Austria approx. 180 Euro Germany approx. 230 Euro Europe on request All prices are ex-price. You can configure the equipment with us. Robot or handheld device. Long or short connection hose package. Various hose packages to choose from. Synchro pulse. 270, 400 or 500 amp equipment in stock. CMT version available as handheld or robot. It is best to call us, we will discuss your area of application, and you will receive an initial price estimate from us.