Used Water Cutting for sale (20,821)

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2005, Used laser from PrimaPower Model Platino 1530HS Fgjdjxlfpxepfx Afioh YOM 2005 With changing table Table size 1500 x 3000 mm Including suction unit Video on request available

Condition: reconditioned (used), functionality: fully functional, Year of construction: 2010, operating hours: 49,200 h, machine/vehicle number: Aufbau und Inbetriebnahme möglich, laser power: 5,000 W, sheet thickness steel (max.): 25 mm, workpiece weight (max.): 900 kg, warranty duration: 6 months, working range: 3,000 mm, +incl.preparation LiftMaster 1530; Liftmaster against surcharge Standard equipment: - Closed machine frame with integrated laser unit - Automatic pallet changer Fgodpfx Afsuviyqeish - Longitudinal conveyor belt for small parts and waste - Drives: Gantry drive in combination with linear direct drives - Cutting head quick-change device - Laser cutting head 250mm lens - Progr. cutting gas selection/pressure adjustment - APC capacitive height and process control (ControlLine) - AutoLas Plus (FocusLine) - Laser power control - Position laser diode - Hi-Las high-pressure cutting (NitroLine) - Sprintlas (FastLine) - ContourLas (ContourLine) - PMS plasma sensors (PlasmaLine) - Lens monitoring (LensLine) - Autom. sheet metal outer edge detection - Microweld - Automatic nozzle cleaning - Oil spraying device - Work area lighting - Automatic switch-off - Safety devices (multi-beam light barriers, encapsulated beam guidance) - Multi-chamber extraction system - Compact dust extractor - ToPs 100 lite -RJ 45 network connection - USB interface - TFT color screen - Detailed operating instructions

Year of construction: 2016, condition: ready for operation (used), Main Drive Number of axis 3 Additional Equipment Extraction Unit: Included Resonator: Included Pallet Changer: Included Scrap Conveyor: Included Fodpfow Huvtjx Afijgh Autofocus: Included Auto Nozzle Changer: Included This 3-axis ERMAKSAN Fibermak Momentum Gen-3 4.0 kW was manufactured in 2016. It features a 4.0 kW IPG resonator, a maximum sheet size of 3000x1500mm, and includes an extraction unit, pallet changer, scrap conveyor, autofocus, and auto nozzle changer. If you are looking to get high-quality cutting capabilities, consider the ERMAKSAN Fibermak Momentum Gen-3 machine we have for sale. Contact us for more information about this machine. Application Types Cutting

Condition: good (used), Condition: Used Stock number: 968859 State: Good Maximum diameter: 100 mm (4") Maximum length: 100 mm (4") Fgodpfx Afoxlabioieh Number of teeth: 6-400 Maximum pitch in steel: 15 D.P. 12 indexing tables Geometrically calibrated between 200 and 2,400 rpm Feed: Horizontal cut or plunge cut Main motor: 1.5 HP Coolant pump motor: 0.1 HP Hydraulic system motor: 0.1 HP Dimensions: 1120x1120x1680 mm Machine weight: 500 kg

Condition: good (used), EBA 721-06 LT Paper Cutting Guillotine The machine has been serviced and is ready for operation. This professional cutter is designed for high-performance cutting. This model offers excellent value for money. The guillotine, with a 721 mm knife length, is equipped with infrared safety curtains, a hydraulic pressure device, and an electromechanical cutter bar drive. Standard equipment also includes a programmable timer and electronic saddle position readout with an accuracy of 1/10 mm. The machine’s main work table is made of stainless steel with a blower. Technical data: Cutting length 721 mm Infeed height 78-80 mm Infeed depth 720 mm Power supply 400 V Weight 620 kg Key features: Fsdpfxoxk U Emj Afijgh Electromechanical knife drive, Hydraulic clamp, Fully adjustable cutting force (250-2000 kg), Optical cutting line indicator, Air table (on front and rear tables), Pedal for pre-marking the cutting line using the clamp or optical cutting indicator, Solid, adjustable steel knife carrier, Blade made of high-quality HSS steel. Safety features include: „Safety curtain” – a photocell in the front table, Transparent safety cover on the rear table, Safe drive – IDEAL patent, Electronically controlled two-handed cutting start, Automatic knife return from any position, Main switch equipped with a key switch. Key-operated Knife replacement possible with the blade permanently covered The set includes: a safety knife change tool, operating tools, a paper tapping tool, and a spare knife.

Condition: used, functionality: fully functional, mileage: 17,000 km, power: 205.94 kW (280.00 HP), first registration: 10/2025, fuel type: diesel, color: red, axle configuration: 4x2, fuel: diesel, gearing type: automatic, Year of construction: 2008, Equipment: differential lock, From our immediately available stock of used vehicles, we offer you: Medium Firefighting Vehicle (MLF) with 2,000 l water tank on MAN TGM 15.280 Our vehicle combines the advantages of an MLF with a large water capacity. The vehicle offers extensive weight and space reserves for individual requirements. General Data • Year of manufacture: 2008 • Mileage: approx. 17,000 km • 24 V battery maintenance system Chassis • MAN TGM 15.280 4x2 with 280 hp (206 kW) • Road drive with differential lock • Diesel engine with automatic transmission Cab • Standard, spacious crew cab (1:5) in RAL 3000 (fire red) • Mountings for 2 breathing apparatus in crew compartment Body • Manufacturer: Gimaex-Schmitz • Three generously sized side equipment lockers per side • Fold-out steps for front and rear side equipment lockers • Numerous modular and customizable storage solutions • Large roof box Fire Pump/Extinguishing Agent Tank Fedpfx Asxmkvaofiegh • Jöhstadt centrifugal fire pump • Output: 1,700 l/min at 8 bar • Water tank: 2,000 l Safety and Lighting • 2 roof beacons at front and 1 at rear • Pneumatic special signal system (Martin horn) • Rear warning chevrons in yellow-red • Hygiene board available on request We would be pleased to provide you with a detailed offer and present the vehicle to you at our location in Berlin.

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2013, Neat used plasma cutting machine from Durma Fgodpfjxldiksx Afish Type PL-C 2060 Table size 6000 x 2000 mm Source Hypertherm HPR 130XD Including Kemper extraction

Condition: new, functionality: fully functional, Year of construction: 2025, control type: CNC control, degree of automation: automatic, actuation type: electric, controller manufacturer: BOCHU, controller model: FSCUT4000E, laser type: fiber laser, laser source manufacturer: RAYCUS, laser power: 6,000 W, sheet thickness (max.): 25 mm, sheet thickness steel (max.): 25 mm, sheet thickness stainless steel (max.): 18 mm, sheet thickness aluminum (max.): 12 mm, sheet thickness brass (max.): 10 mm, sheet thickness copper (max.): 5 mm, pipe length (max.): 12 mm, table length: 5,028 mm, working length: 3,000 mm, working width: 1,500 mm, feed rate X-axis: 60 m/min, feed rate Y-axis: 60 m/min, repeat accuracy: 0.02 mm, workpiece weight (max.): 2,500 kg, power: 6 kW (8.16 HP), input voltage: 380 V, input current: 16 A, type of input current: three-phase, type of cooling: water, overall weight: 3,000 kg, total length: 4,675 mm, total width: 2,385 mm, total height: 1,475 mm, Equipment: centralized greasing system, cooling unit, documentation/manual, emergency stop, nozzle changer, safety light barrier, NEW LASER HEAD BOCI BLT-421 E Laser Head with Automatic Focus Automatic Nozzle Control - Touch Pad Safety (NEW) Full Cover with exchange table Danmar Machines BV Work table: 3,000 x 1,500 mm BOCHU 2D Laser Head BLT421 BOCHU FSCut4000 E Controller Raycus laser source 6000 CypCut E laser software with nesting function EQUIPMENT: * Application: Metal * Fiber Laser * FSCUT4000E CNC control * Working area: 3,000 x 1,500 mm * Processes: Sheet material * Laser source: RAYCUS with 100,000-hour lifespan * User-friendly operation with BOCHU SMART function * CYPCUT software + CYPNest Fgjdswr Dmfepfx Afioh - Nesting, simulation, calculation of processing time and costs, standard macro - Import: PLT, BMP, DST, DWG, DXF, DXP, STEP, etc. * 120 m/min cutting speed * Servo motors on all axes * HiWin linear rails * Laser Head BOCHU BLT4 series * S&A Water Chiller * Real-time air and gas pressure monitoring * Touchscreen interface * Windows Teamviewer online helpdesk * Model EXP3015GA * Laser Power: 6000W * Working area: 3,000 x 1,500 mm * Repeatability accuracy: 0.02 mm * Maximum speed: 120 m/min * Maximum acceleration: 1.5G * Remote control * Automatic lubrication * Warranty: 2 years, maximum 3,000 operating hours* METAL CUTTING MACHINES High-quality, advanced CNC laser cutting machines Sheet material up to 25 mm thick, depending on the laser source Danmar Machines BV, Almelo - Technicians with over 20 years of experience - Service locations in the Netherlands & Belgium - 24/7 online cloud service - Machine network connectivity 24/7 for continuous monitoring (optional) Support & Service Danmar Machines BV, Almelo and BOCHU INDUSTRIAL aim for bespoke service Fast response > short lines of communication > clear communication SOFTWARE: Drawing Modification and Import Intelligent part recognition, identification and optimization of drawing errors. Supports file formats such as DWG and DXF. Batch creation and component import via Excel table supported. CADCAM: CypNest is a nesting software designed for the CypCut/HypCut laser cutting system. It integrates advanced features like drawing adaptation, fast nesting, toolpath generation, analysis reports, and more to suit your production needs. Contact us without obligation for more information. Please mention your company name and telephone number.

Condition: like new (used), functionality: fully functional, Year of construction: 2021, control type: CNC control, laser type: fiber laser, sheet thickness steel (max.): 25 mm, sheet thickness stainless steel (max.): 15 mm, sheet thickness aluminum (max.): 12 mm, pipe diameter (max.): 220 mm, pipe length (max.): 6,000 mm, working length: 3,000 mm, working width: 1,500 mm, power: 3.15 kW (4.28 HP), Flatbed laser with tube cutting unit - 16-position automatic nozzle changer - 2-position cassette table - Industrial chiller KKT Chillers - Filter system Herding Comp 1500-9/9 SB - Laser hours: 1,595 - Cutting hours: 1,168 Fjdpfx Afexmikceijgh - Operating hours: 1,741

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 1994, functionality: fully functional, Clearance sale due to shutdown: all woodworking equipment now available at unbeatable prices Maximum cutting length in machine series: 2500mm Minimum cutting length in between circulars: 160mm Maximum cutting height: 110mm 5 cutting disks Fodpfovd A Nwex Afijgh

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2021, functionality: fully functional, BOTTERO COMBINED CUTTING LINE BOTTERO 548 LAM 61 2.0 – Year 2021 Automatic Cutting Table for Laminated Glass Jumbo size Thickness: 2.2.0,38 PVB mm – 8.8.4,56 PVB mm Accuracy: ±0.15 mm + BOTTERO 103 BLM-R (Machine for positioning, placing and loading flat glass sheets) Fgjdpfxjxmhhmj Afijh + BOTTERO 103 LC + BOTTERO 363 BCS 2.0 – Year 2021 Automatic Cutting Table for Monolithic Glass Max. dimensions: 6100 x 3355 mm ShapeCut Thickness: 2–19 mm Speed: 140 m/min Accuracy: ±0.15 mm Power: 16 kW

Condition: new, Year of construction: 2024, CNC plasma cutting machine PCO-3015-D The machine was engineered and manufactured in Poland. Working parameters: - XY operating range (working area): 1520 x 3100mm - Clearance between table and gantry: 240 mm - Maximum cutting tube height: 200 mm - Idle speed (Cutting speed depends on the capacity of the plasma source and the thickness of working material.): 25000 mm/min. - Compatible with Hypertherm Powermax 45-125, and Hypertherm MAXPRO200 plasma sources. Structure specifications: - Length: 3650 mm - Width: 2280 mm - Height: 1500 mm - Total mass: 1100.0 kg - Maximum load: 1800.0 kg - Adjustable support legs: 6 pcs Easy application of metal sheets The entire gantry and the head are designed to travel out of the working area. This makes applying large sheets of metal easy. Systems THC – Torch Height Controller – An integrated cutting height control system that automatically adjusts the distance between the torch and the material based on the analysis of variations in the source voltage. AMS – Align Material System – Automatically corrects the angle data input of the material in relation to the table. View and challenge the machine Join us for a unique demonstration where a qualified Otinus technician will show you the full functionality of the machine. In addition, you will be able to try out how the machine will perform against your needs. You can provide technical drawings and sample material. Optional extra - Otinus Academy This is a constantly growing e-learning platform created for Otinus brand's Clients. By purchasing this machine you will gain a one year access to online courses that will allow you to effortlessly train a new employee or refresh the knowledge from training! Fjdpoh E Izijfx Afiogh Optional extra - on-site installation and operational training - 1 day, (up to 8 hours) - installation of the machine and training on using the controller. Consultation with a specialist Optional extra - consultation with a specilist - Telephone: 7.30 a.m. to 9 p.m. CET (Mon-Sat) - package of 8 hours to be used within 12 months. - Online: from 7.30 a.m. to 2.30 p.m. CET (Mon-Fri) - package of 8 hours to be used within 12 months. Optional extra - access to Otinus Academy courses - MyPlasm - 12 month access - LibreCad - 12 month access

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2023, functionality: fully functional, Complete extraction system for the production line for log cutting LSH 350/4500. Commissioned in 01/2023. The equipment has no manufacturer, it consists of individual components. Configured based on calculations, documentation available. Fodpjxa Excefx Afiegh

Condition: new, functionality: fully functional, Year of construction: 2025, machine/vehicle number: EXPN-3015GA, control type: CNC control, degree of automation: automatic, actuation type: electric, controller model: BOCHU, laser type: fiber laser, laser source manufacturer: Raytools, laser power: 3,000 W, sheet thickness (max.): 25 mm, sheet thickness steel (max.): 15 mm, sheet thickness stainless steel (max.): 10 mm, sheet thickness copper (max.): 20 mm, working length: 3,000 mm, working width: 1,500 mm, repeat accuracy: 0.03 mm, workpiece weight (max.): 3,000 kg, type of cooling: water, warranty duration: 12 months, Equipment: CE marking, centralized greasing system, cooling unit, documentation/manual, emergency stop, nozzle changer, safety light barrier, Fiber Lasers with Full Enclosure | Automatic Exchange Table METAL CUTTING MACHINES DMA Fiber Laser Machines Working area: 3,000 x 1,500mm* | 4,000 x 2,000mm Required floor space: 8,150 x 2,825 x 2,125mm* | 10,750 x 3,350 x 2,310mm Laser power: 3kW EQUIPMENT: - Laser Head with Automatic Focus - France Motor reduce servo motors - Raycus Taiwan Fodpfx Afowy Uk Rjijgh - Laser Source: RayCus - Water Chiller: S&A - Features: Smooth MicroJoint, Circle Center, One-Path FlyCut, Frame Border Contour, Avoid Collision in Travel, Frame Border Contour, Smooth Piercing - Fully enclosed design ensures effective fume extraction, improved hygiene, and high safety standards - The frame is welded from high-quality steel plates and tubes, offering superior structural stability and shock resistance - Segmented fume extraction for optimal fume removal * Laser head with automatic focus * Automatic nozzle control – Touch Pad Safety (NEW) * Application: Metal * Fiber Laser * Laser source: RAYCUS * Easy operation with SMART function * CYPCUT software + CYPNest - Nesting, simulation, calculation of processing time and costs, standard macros - Import formats: PLT, BMP, DST, DWG, DXF, DXP, STEP, etc. * 80 m/min cutting speed * Servo motors on all axes * HiWin linear guide rails * Laser Head 2D auto focus * Water Chiller S&A * Real-time air and gas pressure monitoring * Laser Power 3KW (options: 6Kw - 12Kw) * Working area 3,000 x 1,500mm (optional 4,000 x 2,000) * Remote control * Automatic lubrication Danmar Machines BV, Almelo - Technicians with over 20 years of experience - Service locations in the Netherlands & Belgium - 24/7 online Cloud Service - Machine 24/7 network connectivity for continuous monitoring (optional) Support & Service Danmar Machines BV, Almelo and BOCHU INDUSTRIAL Efficient response, direct communication, and clear information SOFTWARE: Drawing Modification and Import Intelligent part recognition, identification and optimization of drawing errors. Supports DWG and DXF file formats. Batch processing and part import via Excel table supported. CYPNEST: Nesting software designed for the CypCut/HypCut laser cutting system. Integrates advanced features for drawing adjustment, rapid nesting, toolpath generation, analysis reports, and more – fully meeting your production requirements. Contact us without obligation for more information. Please provide your company name and telephone number.

Condition: new, The SBS 255, part of the Horizontal Mitre Cutting Bandsaws category and the Semi-Auto Bandsaw group, is a compact, robust machine designed for efficient machining of small batches. This universal workshop band saw features a one-piece cast-iron saw frame that is torsion-proof and swivels 60° to the right and 45° to the left, allowing for versatile cutting options. With a rigid vise equipped with lateral slide and long guideways in the movable jaw segments, users can achieve precise cuts on various workpiece sizes, thanks to the combination of carbide jaws and adjustable ball bearing guides. The SBS 255 operates quietly, ensuring short machining times and easy handling, which leads to increased productivity. Additionally, it is powered by a strong motor for continuous operation and comes with a high-capacity coolant system. Included with the saw are essential tools like a saw blade, base, pressure gauge, and operator instructions. KNUTH provides the quality assurance you expect, so order online today to enhance your workshop with the SBS 255 Horizontal Mitre Cutting Bandsaw. Fedpfx Afouyiqdsisgh

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 1994, functionality: fully functional, Clearance sale due to shutdown: all woodworking equipment now available at unbeatable prices Maximum cutting width: 1300mm Maximum cutting height: 12mm Speed: 27m/min(can be adjusted by inverter on the motor) Fjdovd A Nkspfx Afiegh

Condition: good (used), functionality: fully functional, Ideal 5221-95 EC cutting machine in good working condition. The front safety plastic cover is missing. Cutting width: 520 mm Stack height: 80 mm EP programmer with the function to save individual steps in programs. Side tables 2 spare blades (1x sharpened, 1x used) Machine can be shipped by freight forwarder upon arrangement. #8328 Fsdpjv Rlwdefx Afijgh

Year of construction: 2004, condition: used, Applicable material: Metal Auction item. Laser cutting machine was in working condition. Dismantled 2 months ago. Brought from France. Fgodjxmfgtjpfx Afioh Sold together with automatic feed system, filtration system, conditioner and transformer. Sold as seen in pictures.

Condition: used, functionality: fully functional, A complete production line for round timber processing, featuring frame saw technology as its core. The line is capable of processing logs with a top diameter of 15 cm and a butt diameter of up to 55 cm, in lengths from 2.5 to 9.5 meters. The technology consists of: 1) Log cascade for timber up to 10 meters in length, with dosing system 2) G710 frame saw, Královopolské strojírny - Equipped with a dosing carriage mounted on rails, featuring hydraulic centering of the piece - Output of the frame saw is fitted with separating wedges for distinguishing main and side lumber - The saw is powered by a 55 kW electric motor - Detailed description available in a separate file Fgjdpfx Afjxa Ettoioh - The frame saw is followed by roller conveyors - Main lumber is returned via conveyors and directed to the second frame saw - Side boards are continuously transferred to the cascade, which delivers them to the edging center 3) G560 frame saw, Královopolské strojírny - Equipped with a dosing carriage mounted on rails, featuring hydraulic centering of the piece - Output of the frame saw is fitted with separating wedges for distinguishing main and side lumber - The saw is powered by a 45 kW electric motor - Detailed description available in a separate file - The frame saw is followed by a roller conveyor directing side boards to the cascade of the edging center - Main lumber is extracted immediately after being sawn, placed onto a carriage on rails, and, after package completion, pulled out of the sawmill using a winch 4) Edging center, Strojírny Loučná n. Desnou - Maximum cutting height 26 mm, cutting width 70 – 370 mm, total power consumption 29.2 kW - Detailed description available in a separate file - Side boards are dosed into the edging center via the vertical cascade - If required, boards are first cut to the desired production length, which can be set to fixed values or optimized for yield maximization - After cross-cutting, boards are edged to fixed widths in order to maximize lumber yield. Edged boards are then automatically transported via conveyors into storage bins according to their cut length. The final product is width-unsorted side lumber, typically with a width of 80 mm or more.

Year of construction: 1997, condition: used, Press: Serial No. / Year of Manufacture 01108001 Type: PE-4-HS-630 FS Manufacturer: ERFURT GmbH Press weight: 225 t Ram force 10 mm before BDC max.: 6300 kN Ram stroke: 300 mm Adjustable strokes per minute: 10 to 75 /min Die installation height min./max.: 850/1000 mm Ram adjustment: 150 mm Max. die dimensions (L x W): 3600 x 2200 mm Top dead center crankshaft: 0 deg Clutch/brake system Permissible pressure max.: 65 bar Permissible pressure min.: 60 bar Longitudinal stacker Blank length: 200-2500 mm Blank width: 300-1600 mm Cross stacker: Fgedjxmd Hljpfx Afioh Blank length: 300-1600 mm Blank width: 200-1600 mm Strip feeding: Strip width: 300-1600 mm Strip thickness: 0.5-3.0 mm Coil weight: 25.0 t

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2005, Bobst SP 104 ER Die-cutter Diecutter with stripping and blanking station Technical specifications: Paper min. 90 g/m2 Cardboard max. 2000 g/m2 Corrugated board max. 4 mm Min. sheet size: lxw 350 x 400 mm Max. sheet size: lxw 740 x 1040 mm Max. dimensions of cutting die: Max. lxw 725 x 1040 mm Cutting force: 250 tons Running speed: max. 8.000 s/h. Centerline for job quick-change Adjustable centering at the stripping and at the delivery, Bobst-Electronic machine operationg system C.U.B.E. : (Control Unit Bobst Electronic) Fgedewgz H Eepfx Afish Non Stop Feeder, Steel plate, Double Sheet Sensor, Left hand pull lay, Right hand pull lay, Micrometic adjustment, Centerline, Double Action Stripper, Blanking Station, Quick lock stripping frame,

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2022, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: MJY 142S-35, MJF 143-1535, MJY-MJF production line from the Chinese manufacturer China SHENGONG. The equipment was commissioned in 11/2022 and is designed for processing round logs with a maximum diameter of 340 mm and length of 5 m. The technology comprises: - Log infeed deck for 5 m logs with dosing and centering - Infeed conveyor to the machine - Double-shaft canting saw MJY 142S-35 - Outfeed pressure rollers - Distribution outfeed conveyor for cant and side boards - Side boards conveyor - Cant conveyor with lateral ejection and flipping - Cant conveyor to multi-rip saw Fgodpsw Rg Emefx Afioh - Centering unit before multi-rip saw - Double-shaft multi-rip saw MJF 143-1535 - Lumber conveyor behind the saw - Side chains and lumber conveyor - Edging saw MJ 141-0440 with 5 lasers for saw blade positioning - Roller conveyor before and after the edger - Belt conveyor under the Multipris for offcut removal - Connecting belt conveyor - Belt conveyor under the multi-rip saw for offcut removal to chipping - Belt conveyor for removal from the hall - Chutes and conveyor connections - Accessories: hydraulics, electrics, and control system The price of the technology is without dismantling and at FCA Nepomuk Incoterms.

Condition: ready for operation (used), Fully Automatic Flatbed Die-Cutter, Fgjdpfx Aewly D Hofieh Non-Stop Feeder, Automatic Vacuum Plate, Double Sheet Cleaning Station, Turn Die Cutting Frame, (Batch Delivery) Non-Stop Delivery With Belt, Cutting Force 300 TON, Up to 4.500 Speed/H, Working With Corrugated Cardboard Of Thickness Max. 9mm, Min. 0,9mm, Format: Max. 1055x1575mm, Min. 400x600mm, Standard Accessories Bobst SPO 1575 EG 1980, fully rebuilted 2015, chain changed 2024.

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2003, Zund M-1200 Plotter / Digital Cutter / Cutting machine Bed size 1300mm x 1200mm C2-P Dual head with separate pen module, kiss cut, die cut, creasing and drawing. With software Fgodexbnitjpfx Afioh

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 1983, BOBST SPO 1600 Fjdpfxsxcayye Afiegh Max Speed 5000 per hour Year 1983 Max lenght 1075mm Max width 1580mm Fully reconditioned by Bobst 2015 Central line