Used Gildemeister Ctx 600 E for sale (237)

Condition: new, Year of construction: 2024, Gildemeister 20ACN allows, again via SIEMENS operator panel, to set and change spindle rpm, cycle time and thread speed easily. It can machine workpieces up to 25 mm in size with equal ease and precision. It offers the possibility of mounting NC slides. Position 6 consists of: NC parting slide and NC take-up slide, NC take-up spindle with variable rpm, with synchronization and stop. The NC take-up spindle, specifically programmed, has the option of becoming a C-axis. Technical data: - Max. round bar diameter mm 20 / 25 - Max. square bar diameter mm 17 - Bar pusher mm 100 / 125 - Front spindle stroke mm 86 - Longitudinal guide block stroke mm 50 - Radial slide stroke mm 42 / CNC 50 - Axial slide stroke mm 50 / CNC 56 - CNC cutting stroke mm 42 - CNC pickup slide stroke mm 42 - CNC Pickup Spindle Stroke mm 100 Rodpfx Aaeuqh Ihjhjw - Continuous spindle speed rpm rpm 420 - 5,000 - Rapid traverse times s 0.5 - 0.7 - Main drive power 11 kW / CNC 15 kW - Installation area without bar guide mm 4,000 x 1,900 - Net weight kg 5,500 The Gildemeister 20AC, on the other hand, is a multispindle lathe that targets highly specialized industries where precision and accuracy are imperative.

Condition: used, CNC lathe GILDEMEISTER, type GD 160 with Gildemeister - Fanuc Mate TS control - Power chuck BERG, Ø 200 mm - 12-station tool turret, VDI 40 - 6 tool holders VDI 40, installed Machine footprint with chip conveyor: L x W x H 4200 x 2200 x 2100 mm Weight: approx. 4 tons Rodjy T R Irspfx Aahew We are making room Affordable machine – ideal for export

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2002, turning diameter 16 mm spindle passage 16 mm turning length 160 mm Redpfx Aaevh I Tvjhjw control GE FANUC Series 18 i-T spindle turning speed range 8000 U/min rapid traverse 30 m/min total power requirement 2,2 kW weight of the machine ca. 2,1 t Accessories: bar loader IEMCA, GENIUS 226-32 L, YOM 2002 (for bar dia. 2 - 26 mm and bar lengths 1500 - 3210 mm); chip conveyor, coolant

Condition: used, Year of construction: 1998, operating hours: 97,593 h, functionality: fully functional, turning diameter: 65 mm, spindle bore: 79 mm, spindle speed (max.): 4,500 rpm, spindle speed (min.): 25 rpm, For Sale: Gildemeister MF Sprint 65 CNC Sliding Headstock Lathe with 3-Meter Bar Feeder, as shown in the pictures. The machine was removed from our workshop in fully functional condition. A video of the machine in operation prior to disassembly is available upon request. Approximately five years ago, the linear guides of the X1 and Z1 slides (on the main spindle side) were replaced, including bearings and belts. A new HMI interface was installed recently. Detailed specifications and technical data can be found in the attached PDF. TECHNICAL DATA Control: Sinumerik 840C Bar Feeder: SIMAG 65.1-3200G, Year of Manufacture: 1998 Bar Length: 3 meters Bar Diameter / Spindle Bore: 65 mm Main Drive Power Output: 28 / 21 kW Speed Range: 25 – 4,500 rpm Torque: 320 / 240 Nm Maximum Feed Rate for Thread Cutting: 10 m/min C-Axis Speed: 120 rpm C-Axis Torque (Holding Torque): 180 Nm Tool Carrier Number of Tool Stations: 8 Shank Diameter (DIN 69880): 30 mm Number of Driven Tool Stations: 4 Power Output: 7.6 / 4.6 kW Torque: 24 / 14.7 Nm Maximum Speed of Tool Carrier 1: 4,000 rpm Maximum Speed of Tool Carrier 2: 4,000 rpm Slide 1 Cross Travel / Longitudinal Travel: 155 / 280 mm Rapid Traverse Speed X/Z: 22.5 / 22.5 m/min Feed Force X/Z: 900 / 900 daN Slide 2 Cross Travel / Longitudinal Travel: 82 / 120 mm Rapid Traverse Speed X/Z: 22.5 / 22.5 m/min Feed Force X/Z: 900 / 900 daN MACHINE DATA Dimensions with Bar Feeder and Chip Conveyor (L × W × H): approx. 6 × 2 × 2 meters Weight: approx. 6.5 tons Operating Voltage: 50 Hz, 400 V Accessories: Cooling System Chip Conveyor Documentation The offer is subject to change and non-binding, changes and errors in the technical data or the equipment, as well as prior sale reserved Used machines are purchased as seen, without warranty claims. Delivery ex works excluding packaging and insurance, unless otherwise agreed. The price does not include statutory value added tax. Rjdpfx Aaowym Nfjhsw As is usual with used machines, payment is made before loading.

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2004, operating hours: 63,778 h, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: 06800002061, rotational speed (max.): 6,000 rpm, spindle bore: 56 mm, spindle diameter: 90 mm, empty load weight: 6,000 kg, TECHNICAL DETAILS X-axis travel: 800 mm Z-axis travel: 300 mm Rapid traverse rate X: 100 m/min Rapid traverse rate Z: 45 m/min Chuck diameter: 200 mm Spindle head, flat flange: F140 h5 Spindle diameter in the front bearing: 90 mm Spindle bore: 56 mm C-axis Speed range: 0–100 rpm Torque, holding torque brake: 240 Nm Accuracy in point positioning: < 0.02 degrees Number of tool stations: 12 Cylindrical shank diameter: 40 mm Drive power, 40% duty cycle: 10.8 kW Torque: 28 Nm Speed: max. 6,000 rpm MACHINE DETAILS Power of the three-phase main drive: 25 kW Torque, 100% duty cycle: 160 Nm Speed range: 20–7,000 rpm Electrical data Power: 25/35 kW Voltage: 400 V / 50 Hz Control voltage: 24 V DC Hydraulics Total capacity: approx. 25 l Pressure: 80 bar Rodpoy T Ikkofx Aahsw Pressure for clamping device: max. 700 bar Coolant system Capacity: approx. 190 l Pump output: 1.7 kW Flow rate at 6 bar: 20 l/min Weight: approx. 6,000 kg Operating hours: 63,778 h Note: The machine is sold including a small set of accessories!

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2002, operating hours: 74,523 h, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: 06800001121, rotational speed (max.): 6,000 rpm, spindle bore: 56 mm, spindle diameter: 90 mm, empty load weight: 6,000 kg, TECHNICAL DETAILS Travel, X-axis: 800 mm Travel, Z-axis: 300 mm Rapid traverse rate, X: 100 m/min Rapid traverse rate, Z: 45 m/min Chuck diameter: 200 mm Spindle head, flat flange: F140 h5 Spindle diameter at front bearing: 90 mm Spindle bore: 56 mm C-axis Speed range: 0–100 rpm Torque, holding torque brake: 240 Nm Accuracy in point positioning: < 0.02 degrees Number of tool stations: 12 Cylindrical shank diameter: 40 mm Drive power, 40% duty cycle: 10.8 kW Torque: 28 Nm Speed: max. 6,000 rpm MACHINE DETAILS Power of the three-phase main drive: 25 kW Rsdpfx Aaey T Id Dehsw Torque, 100% duty cycle: 160 Nm Speed range: 20–7,000 rpm Electrical data Power: 25/35 kW Voltage: 400 V / 50 Hz Control voltage: 24 V DC Hydraulics Total capacity: approx. 25 l Pressure: 80 bar Pressure for clamping device: max. 700 bar Coolant system Capacity: approx. 190 l Pump power: 1.7 kW Flow rate at 6 bar: 20 l/min Weight: approx. 6,000 kg Operating hours: 74,523 h Note: The machine is sold including a small set of accessories!

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2002, operating hours: 77,119 h, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: 06810000041, rotational speed (max.): 6,000 rpm, spindle bore: 56 mm, spindle diameter: 90 mm, empty load weight: 6,000 kg, TECHNICAL DETAILS Travel X-axis: 800 mm Travel Z-axis: 300 mm Rapid traverse rate X: 100 m/min Rapid traverse rate Z: 45 m/min Chuck diameter: 200 mm Spindle head, flat flange: F140 h5 Spindle diameter at front bearing: 90 mm Spindle bore: 56 mm C-axis Speed range: 0–100 rpm Torque, holding torque brake: 240 Nm Accuracy at point positioning: < 0.02 degrees Number of tool stations: 12 Cylindrical shank diameter: 40 mm Drive power, 40% duty cycle: 10.8 kW Torque: 28 Nm Speed: max. 6,000 rpm MACHINE DETAILS Power of the three-phase main drive: 25 kW Torque, 100% duty cycle: 160 Nm Speed range: 20–7,000 rpm Electrical data Power: 25/35 kW Voltage: 400 V / 50 Hz Control voltage: 24 V DC Hydraulics Total capacity: approx. 25 l Pressure: 80 bar Pressure for clamping device: max. 700 bar Rjdpfxsy T Idds Aahow Coolant system Capacity: approx. 190 l Pump power: 1.7 kW Flow rate at 6 bar: 20 l/min Weight: approx. 6,000 kg Operating hours: 77,119 h Note: The machine is sold including a small set of accessories!

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2004, Control Siemens Sinumerik 840D Bar capacity 65 mm Speed 5,000 min-1 2 x 12-way turret with driven tool Turret 1 with Y-axis Part collection device Belt filter system Chip conveyor Rjdowh U D Hspfx Aahsw Bar loading magazine IRCO Profimat

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2000, Siemens control unit Bar passage 32 mm 2 x 12-position turrets with driven tools Rsdpewh U Edefx Aahsw Main / counter spindle Y-axis turret top Parts lifting device Chip conveyor IRCO bar loading magazine

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2006, operating hours: 38,407 h, spindle speed (max.): 5,000 rpm, travel distance X-axis: 300 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 650 mm, spindle motor power: 26,000 W, total height: 2,900 mm, total width: 2,500 mm, overall weight: 12,000 kg, controller manufacturer: SIEMENS, controller model: 840 Powerline, product length (max.): 7,855 mm, number of slots in tool magazine: 24, number of axes: 3, This 9-axis Gildemeister TWIN 65 was manufactured in 2006. It features a spindle power of 65 kVA and a maximum spindle speed of 5000 rpm. The machine includes a tool magazine with 24 tools and a turret-type tool changer. With a robust weight of 12,000 kg and dimensions of 7855 mm x 2500 mm x 2900 mm, this horizontal turning machine is equipped with special features like a touch probe and internal coolant supply. If you are looking to get high-quality turning capabilities, consider the Gildemeister TWIN 65 machine we have for sale. Contact us for further details. • Machine design: 60° slant bed • Guideways: Roller guideways • Max turning diameter: 250 mm • Max turning diameter (standard): 120 mm • Max turning length: 900 mm • X1 travel (upper slide): 300 mm • Z1 travel (upper slide): 650 mm • Y1 travel (optional): ±40 mm • X2 travel (lower slide): 180 mm • Z2 travel (lower slide): 650 mm Redpfx Aaeyvz Ibehsw • X3 travel (counter spindle): 175 mm • Z3 travel (counter spindle): 670 mm • Main spindle chuck size: 175 / 200 mm • Maximum rod diameter (without reducing tubes): 62 / 65 mm • Spindle bore diameter: 79 mm • Spindle nose diameter: 170 mm • Collet diameter: 66 mm • Front bearing diameter: 120 mm • Main spindle power (40/100% ED): 35 / 25 kW • Main spindle speed range: up to 5000 rpm • Main spindle torque (40/100% ED): 370 / 270 Nm • Spindle drive type: AC motor with integrated spindle motor • C-axis: Integrated for oriented stopping and contouring • C-axis speed: 2000 rpm • C-axis holding torque: 270 Nm • Counter spindle power (40/100% ED): 26 / 21 kW • Counter spindle speed range: up to 5000 rpm • Counter spindle torque (40/100% ED): 290 / 230 Nm • C-axis (counter spindle) speed: 2000 rpm • C-axis (counter spindle) holding torque: 230 Nm • Rapid traverse X/Z (slide 1): 30 / 30 m/min • Feed force X/Z (slide 1): 4.0 / 7.0 kN • Positioning resolution X/Z: 0.0005 mm • Motor torque X/Z: 6 / 10.5 Nm • Motor speed X/Z: 3000 rpm • Ball screw pitch X/Z: 20x32 / 20x40 mm • Rapid traverse X/Y/Z (with Y-axis): 30 / 15 / 30 m/min • Feed force X/Y/Z: 4.0 / 4.0 / 7.0 kN • Positioning resolution X/Y/Z: 0.0005 mm • Motor torque X/Y/Z: 6 / 6 / 10.5 Nm • Motor speed X/Y/Z: 3000 rpm • Ball screw pitch X/Y/Z: 20x32 / 10x32 / 20x40 mm • Rapid traverse X/Z (slide 2): 30 / 30 m/min • Feed force X/Z (slide 2): 4.0 / 7.0 kN • Positioning resolution X/Z (slide 2): 0.0005 mm • Motor torque X/Z (slide 2): 6 / 10.5 Nm • Motor speed X/Z (slide 2): 3000 rpm • Ball screw pitch X/Z (slide 2): 20x32 / 20x40 mm • Rapid traverse X/Z (counter spindle slide): 15 / 30 m/min • Feed force X/Z (counter spindle slide): 4.0 / 7.0 kN • Positioning resolution X/Z (counter spindle): 0.0005 mm • Motor torque X/Z (counter spindle): 10.5 / 10.5 Nm • Motor speed X/Z (counter spindle): 3000 rpm • Ball screw pitch X/Z (counter spindle): 10x32 / 20x40 mm • Number of tool stations: 12 • Tool holder: VDI 30 • Tool changer type: Turret • Tool shank size (DIN 69880): 30 / 40 mm • Number of driven tool stations: 12 • Driven tools: all 12 stations capable of driven tools • Driven tool power (40/100% ED): 11.7 / 8.4 kW • Driven tool torque (40/100% ED): 28 / 20 Nm • Driven tool speed: up to 4000 rpm • Tailstock stroke (optional): 300 mm • Tailstock force: 150 / 630 daN • Center size: MK 4 • Hydraulic tank capacity: 20 l • Hydraulic pump power: 2.2 kW • Hydraulic pressure max: 90 bar • Clamping pressure main spindle: 80 bar • Clamping pressure counter spindle: 70 bar • Clamping pressure tailstock: 50 bar

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Condition: excellent (used), Monitor Display (108142) Manufacturer: DMG Gildemeister Type: Supply 11098 ID No.: 259284 Monitor removed from a machine with a mechanical defect. Functionality has been tested. Rsdoigqr Hjpfx Aahjw

Year of construction: 2000, condition: good (used), Gildemeister MF Sprint 42 Straight driven tools: 4 pcs Rodpsyiym Ujfx Aahsw Static oil Work tools not included

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2004, Number of spindles: 8 Max. bar feed in one station: 130 mm Max. bar feed in two stations: 260 mm Max. stroke of radial slide: 52 mm Adjustment of radial slide: ±12 mm Max. stroke of axial slide: 72 mm Max. stroke of tool spindles: 106 mm Adjustment of tool spindles: ±10 mm Rodpfx Aaow Rfcdehsw Main spindle speed: 500 - 4,000 rpm Cycle time per part: 2 - 80 s Number of tool positions: 18 Weight: 12,600 kg

Condition: excellent (used), CNC vertical lathe Gildemeister CTV 250 Working area: Rjdpovuqm Sofx Aahow Chuck diameter: 250mm X-axis: 800mm Z-axis: 300m Spindle head: 170 h5 Spindle diameter in the front bearing: 120mm Spindle bore: 79mm C-axis Number of work stations: 12 Videos available!!

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2011, Technical details: Rodpeyz Sdqefx Aahjw weight of the machine ca.: 11 t Gildemeister MF Twin 65-II lathe with loading automation. This machine is suitable as a counter spindle machine for 4-axis machining on the main and counter spindles, complete machining (turning, drilling, milling, Y-axis, B-axis) of bar and shaft parts. *

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2003, Technical details: Rsdeyzyudspfx Aahjw weight of the machine ca.: 11 t Gildemeister MF Twin 65-II lathe with loading automation. This machine is suitable as a counter spindle machine for 4-axis machining on the main and counter spindles, complete machining (turning, drilling, milling, Y-axis, B-axis) of bar and shaft parts. *

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2000, Turret 1 - facing/length turning 155/280 mm Turret 2 - facing/length turning 82/120 mm Spindle bore (main spindle) 79 mm ((w/collet chuck 65 mm) Spindle bore (sub spindele 65 mm (w/collet chuck 42 mm) Spindle speeds (25-5000 rpm (main spindle) C-axis - 5000 rpm. Turret w/8 stations Rsdpsy Hppzjfx Aahew Control: Siemens Sinumerik 840 C Equipped with: Magazine bar feeder Manuf. Simag model 65.1 - 3200 mm - built 2000 Chip conveyor Various tool holders

Condition: new, Year of construction: 2025, Gildemeister 20, completely rebuilt to like-new condition Rsdpfjfzk S Dox Aahsw - AC motor for production time control - AC motor for threading - GM-type, soundproofed housing - Frequency converter for programming spindle speed - 20 mm, 25 mm, 28 mm bar passage with integrated loader - Optional: CNC cross slides for X and Z axes, CNC pick-up with CNC recovery slide - CE marking

Condition: used, Gildemeister Italiana GD16 with LNS bar feeder Rsdpey D Nw Tofx Aahsw

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2008, operating hours: 61,440 h, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: 06800003891, rotational speed (max.): 5,000 rpm, controller model: Siemens 840D powerline, Equipment: chip conveyor, documentation/manual, TECHNICAL DETAILS Max. speed: 5,000 rpm MACHINE DETAILS Control: Siemens 840D powerline Rsdpfx Ajyzqtksahow Electrical Data Apparent power: 50 kVA Rated current: max. 72 A Current: 80 A Mains voltage: 400 V Frequency: 50 Hz Control voltage: 230 V Voltage: 24 V Operating hours: approx. 76,300 h Spindle hours: approx. 61,440 h EQUIPMENT Pallet circulation system Material conveyor belts for machined parts Chip conveyor Documentation/manual Note: The machine is sold without chuck, tools or raw part holders. Additionally, the seller can offer the following accessories: SMW KNCS225 chuck for €1,500 Ewab pallets (base pallets) 10 units for €500 Extension of transport belts for finished parts €2,000 Basic holder set VDI 40 suitable for the machine, 10 units for €1,000

Year of construction: 1987, condition: used, machine/vehicle number: 7.0176, Note: We have 6 pieces of this machine in stock! Manufacturer: Gildemeister Type: GS 36 - 6 A/C Machine No.: 7.0176 Year of manufacture: 1987 Weight: 11t General / technical data: Portal-6Spindle automatic lathe spindle pitch circle: 300mm number of longitudinal slides: 6 number of cross slides: 2 large cross slide stroke: 60mm largest longitudinal slide stroke: 125mm Spindle speeds: Stepless 562 - 3373 rpm Main time range: Stepless 1,95 - 78 sec. Secondary time range: 0,79 - 2,13 sec. Drive power: DC motor spindles 20kW; feeds 8kW footprint: approx. 1720 x 4700mm Remark: The machine is not convertible for bar work. Equipment: - 1 creep feed drive for set-up operation - 1 automatic central lubrication device - 1 coolant device with pipes and pump - 1 cross slide, position 3 (without curves) Rjdpfx Aasin Ub Tehjw - 1 cross slide, position 5 - 6 longitudinal slides (without drive, without curves) - Feed for independent longitudinal slide, flexible, position 1-6 - Programmable logic controller IPC 620 - Noise protection 80db - Automatic feed restart with electrical protection of the side door - Schanier belt chip conveyor - Design of the machines with DC drives for speed and feed - KIENZLE terminal 2450-07 with signal interface and data transmission control. Accessories: Electrical version: The electrical equipment consists of a DC main drive with power 20 kW for the spindle drive and a three-phase servo motor for the feed drive with power 8kW (protection class IP 54) and corresponding switchgear and control devices as well as the necessary installation. Total connection of the machine 32kW/h.

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 1997, - Control system: SIEMENS SINUMERIK 840-C - Max. bar diameter: 65 mm - C-axis - Main spindle speed: 31 - 6,300 rpm - Turret 1: 8 stations, 4 of which are powered - Turret 2: 8 stations, 4 of which are powered - Driven tool speed: 4,000 rpm - Both turrets with internal cooling - High-pressure unit - Chip conveyor - Bar feeder IRCO SiMag 65 - Max. bar length: 3,200 mm Rsdpfx Aajxa Epbohow Dimensions LxWxH: - Machine: 3,400 x 1,700 x 1,800 mm - Bar feeder: 4,000 x 1,000 x 1,400 mm - Chip conveyor: 3,000 x 1,100 x 1,600 mm Total weight: approx. 6,000 kg

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 1996, number of axes: 2, This Gildemeister MF twin 65 was manufactured in 1996. It features two turrets, each with 12 tool positions, all motorized-capable, and includes 14 driven tools and 14 tool holders. The machine boasts both spindles in very good condition and a bar passage of 65 mm, complemented by a Cucchi Pietro bar feeder. Contact us for more information about this machine. • 2 turrets (12 + 12 tool positions), all motorized-capable • Bar passage: 65 mm • Both spindles in very good condition • New hydraulic/power unit pump Redpfxsyaqr Ao Aahsw Additional equipment • Cucchi Pietro bar feeder • 14 driven tools • 14 tool holders

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2010, operating hours: 29,200 h, This Gildemeister Sprint 20-8 was manufactured in 2010. It features a cooling system with a 600l capacity and 50µm filter, alongside a high-pressure pump option of 8 or 20 bar. The machine includes a Bristol B270/E oil mist separator and an IEMCA Boss 332E bar loader for 3m bars. With a chip discharge height of 1,250mm, it's designed for efficient operation. Contact us for more information about this machine. Specification • Control system: Fanuc 310i-S • Mechanical and electrical preparation for fire extinguishing system • Coolant system suitable for oil (max. 32 cSt) and emulsion • Coolant tank capacity: 600 liters • Coolant filtration: 50 µm • Coolant chiller unit • Coolant pump pressure: 8 bar • Coolant pump pressure: 20 bar • Chip conveyor • Chip discharge height: 1250 mm • Bar loader: IEMCA Boss 332E • Maximum bar length: 3 m • Oil mist separator: Bristol B270/E • Sliding headstock travel: 80 mm • Tooling on slides • Tool breakage detection system Rjdjx D H I Tspfx Aahjw • Machine commissioning (max. 3 days) • Spindle bore: 25 mm (upgraded) • Machine duty hours: 29,200 h Machine Benefits Technical Machine Benefits • Chip discharge height: 1250mm Extra Information Machine still under power