Used Emco Mc 90 for sale (141)

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2018, operating hours: 21,000 h, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: S4E184001, turning diameter over cross slide: 430 mm, turning length: 670 mm, turning diameter: 220 mm, spindle bore: 45 mm, spindle speed (max.): 6,300 rpm, overall weight: 4,300 kg, Used CNC hard turning lathe with counter spindle Manufacturer: EMCO Model: Emcoturn 45E Year of manufacture: 2018 Nsdpfx Ajw Rrvwjf Ejwn Few operating hours Control: Siemens 828D Number of tools: 12 driven units Max. speed: 0-6000 rpm

Condition: like new (used), Year of construction: 2018, Technical Data: • Swing diameter over cross slide: 430 mm (max. turning diameter 220 mm) • Turning length: max. 670 mm • Spindle bore (clearance diameter): 45 mm • HS spindle interface DIN 55026 A2-5 • Main drive power: 13 kW • Max. torque: 78 (100) Nm • Speed range: 0–6300 rpm • Counter spindle interface: DIN 55026 A2-4 • Number of tools: 12 driven tools, max. speed: 0–6000 rpm • Tool holder: VDI 25 • Pressure boost station E45 for central coolant system; centrifugal pump 14 bar; lifting pump min. 1.5 bar • Chip conveyor: hinge belt conveyor, discharge height 1200 mm • Swing loader Emcoturn E45 with loading and unloading system; 2-finger parallel gripper / 90° rotating module • Belt conveyor for RT parts feeding: length 1300 mm / width 567 mm; chain pitch 27.1 mm (1800L) • Control: Siemens 828 D Nwjdpfx Afowl Uu Hj Een ⸻ • Connected load: approx. 46 kVA • Voltage: 400 V / 50 Hz • Weight: approx. 4,300 kg • Space requirement: approx. 15 m²

Condition: good (used), travel distance X-axis: 650 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 550 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 500 mm, Manufacturer: EMCO Type: MAXXMILL 500 new 2014 Control system: SIEMENS 840D Year of construction: 2014 High preformance spindle 34,5 kW and 110 Nm torq One setup to machine 500 x 500 x 475 mm (5 sides) Top machine for medium production runs 15 to 300 pieces 3560 Spindle hours Specifications Metric US Standard X - axis 650 mm Y - axis 550 mm Z - axis 500 mm A - axis -100 to +100 ° B - axis 360.000 ° Table length 600 mm Table width 600 mm Table load 250 Feed X - axis 30000 mm/min. Feed Y-axis 30000 mm/min. Feed Z-axis 30000 mm/min. Tool holder ISO 40 ISO/Bt/Mk Spindle power 34 kW kW Spindle speed 10000 rpm Tool changer 30 IKZ 20 Number of controlled axes 5 Nodjtw Rnfopfx Af Eswn Chip conveyor Yes Cooling device Yes Dimensions (estimate) Length 2900 mm width 3300 mm height 3000 mm weight 9200 kg Please note: The information on this page is given in good faith and to the best of our knowledge, and where possible, has been obtained from the manufacturer, but accuracy cannot be guaranteed. Accordingly, it does not constitute a representation or contract and we recommend that you check all relevant details.

Condition: not inspected (used), Leadscrew and feed rod lathe, Manufacturer: Emco, Model: Maximat Mentor 10 Nodpfx Afow U Rdhs Eewn

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 1996, x-travel: 380 mm Nedpfx Afoua E Nao Ejwn y-travel: 140 mm quill stroke: 40 mm table-size: 630 x 150 mm spindle taper MT: 2 voltage: 380/400 V

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2003, Internal item no.: 25045 Universal Milling Machine Emco FB4 Year: 2003 + Accessories (Hydraulic machine vice Allmatic 110 / 12x SK40 holders in rack) + Electrically tested until 11/2028 (as per inspection sticker) + 3-axis digital readout Heidenhain ND780 Nwedpfsw Hrycsx Af Ejn Travel: X 450 / Y 300 / Z 350mm Quill stroke: 100mm Main drive: 3.2kW Speed range: 63 - 3150 rpm Milling table: 800x400mm Automatic central lubrication Dimensions (LxWxH): 200 x 200 x 200cm Weight: 2100kg

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2017, Emcomat E300 for sale. The machine was manufactured in 2017. Machine type: EM300x1500 SIEM Nwjdpfx Asw I S Uuof Eon Some repairs have been carried out and the following defects are known to us: Geometry checked. Z-guides in the area of the main spindle (chuck) are slightly worn. Z-slide tilts in X and Y under load up to 0.1mm; in this range, precise work is no longer possible at higher clamping pressure. Tool changer checked and adjusted. X-axis belt replaced and machine zero point set. Automatic band lubrication oil loss – troubleshooting performed, problem resolved, lubrication oil line renewed. Machine is operational – with reservation regarding Z-axis guidance.

Year of construction: 2012, condition: ready for operation (used), X-travel: 210mm, z-travel: 610mm, swing over bed/ slide: 540/ 360mm, max. turning diameter: 310mm, length: 1730mm, width: 2860mm, height: 1880mm, weight: 4.3t, with Automation FMB unirobot MH5L-XP. Nsdpfxsg Rcf Is Af Ejwn

Year of construction: 1985, condition: ready for operation (used), General Data Measurements height 1780 mm Machine weight 2200 kg Nodpfx Aew Epzhof Eown Control Unit Brand SIEMENS Model Sinumerik Main Drive Spindle motor power 1/15 kW Spindle bore 53 mm Number of axis 2 Movement X-Axis Movement 300 mm X-Axis Feed Force 6 m/min Z-Axis Movement 300 mm Workpiece Workpiece drm over bed 340 mm Workpiece drm over support 158 mm Turret Number of turrets 1 Tool taper VDI 3425 Tail Stock Pinol diameter 60 mm Pinol tool taper MT4 Tools Number of station 8 This EMCO EMCOturn 340 was manufactured in 1985. A robust horizontal turning machine featuring a swing over bed of 340 mm and a swing over cross slide of 158 mm. It includes an automatic 8-station disc turret and a spindle speed range up to 6000 rpm. Ideal for precision turning with a spindle bore of 53 mm and a rapid traverse speed. Consider the opportunity to buy this EMCO EMCOturn 340 horizontal turning machine. Contact us for more information. Application Types Turning

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2000, turning diameter 340 mm turning length 2000 mm control FAGOR 8055 swing diameter 550 mm spindle bore 108 mm spindle turning speed - stepless 2500 U/min power capacity 16.5 kW quill stroke 220 mm diameter of quill 100 mm total power requirement 19 kW weight of the machine ca. 4300 kg dimensions of the machine ca. 4300 x 1600 x 1800 m This EMCO E 300x2000 cycle lathe is supplied complete with all accessories. Nwedpovwgpbofx Af Eon Description: - Coolant device - 1 piece Luenette open 20-145mm - 1 piece closed guide 15-185mm - 1 piece face plate - 1 piece three-jaw chuck - 1 piece wedge bar chuck D=400mm - Parat 4-fold tool holder - Various tool holders

Condition: good (used), EMCOTurn 120 CNC lathe. 160 mm between centers, complete with EMCOTronic T1 control system. Turning diameter: 180 mm, turning diameter over compound slide: 75 mm, spindle bore: 21 mm, speed range: 150-400 rpm, tool turret with 8 stations. Nedju Rd S Repfx Af Eswn Ex-College machine

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2006, Machine used only for plastic. Technical details shown in attached pdf document. Parts shown by hand not come. Nwodpfou Ibihjx Af Esn

Condition: used, turning diameter 340 mm turning length 300 mm centre height 158 mm control Sinumerik 810T spindle bore 53 mm turning speed range 60 - 4000 U/min quill stroke 120 mm Nwodpfxswzyrpo Af Ejn diameter of quill 60 mm tailstock quill taper MT 4 total power requirement 11/15 kW weight of the machine ca. 2200 kg dimensions of the machine ca. 2300 x 2100 x 1800 mm CNC lathe - cycle controlled

Year of construction: 2007, condition: ready for operation (used), X-travel: 210mm, z-travel: 610mm, swing over bed/ slide: 540/ 360mm, max. turning diameter: 310mm, length: 1730mm, width: 2860mm, height: 1880mm, weight: 4.3t, with Automation FMB unirobot MH5L-XP. Nedpfx Asg Rcf Sof Eswn

Condition: used, Year of construction: 1990, turning diameter over cross slide: 210 mm, spindle bore: 31 mm, turning diameter: 320 mm, center height: 165 mm, Machine can be tested under power, fully functional incl. accessories Nwedpfxowpkd So Af Ejn collet equipment is included

Condition: like new (used), Year of construction: 2013, functionality: fully functional, Universal Tool Milling Machine Emco Emcomat FB-450 Linear with Position Indicator – Near-Mint Condition, CE-Compliant!! Technical Data: >> Year of manufacture: 2013 | Machine No.: F9A124962 >> Milling table clamping surface: 800 x 400 mm T-slots: 8 Slot width: 14 H8 Slot spacing: 50 mm Maximum load: 150 kg Nwjdpfx Aewycv Ijf Eon >> Infinitely variable spindle speeds: 10–5000 rpm >> Infinitely variable feed rates: 10–5000 mm/min Rapid traverse X-axis: 5000 mm/min >> Travel (X/Y/Z): 450/350/400 mm >> Vertical and horizontal quill – SK40 >> Hydraulic drawbar system >> Quill stroke: 80 mm >> Weight: approx. 2000 kg >> Dimensions (LxWxH): approx. 2.5 x 2 x 2 m >> Main drive motor: 10 kW >> Spindle brake >> Technical documentation, spare parts plans, operating manual included >> Hinged safety enclosure >> Coolant system >> Machine lamp >> Dividing head >> Rotary table >> Machine vice >> Steady rest About the Machine: For sale is a Universal Tool Milling Machine Emco Emcomat FB-450 Linear with position display, in near-mint condition. The machine comes from a government operation and was used only occasionally for training purposes. The control system is very user-friendly. Additionally, the machine features hydraulic clamping in both vertical and horizontal operation. Conversion from vertical to horizontal mode is very simple due to the tilting vertical head. The Emco has been mechanically and electrically tested in our workshop. Take advantage of the opportunity to inspect and test the machine under power at our facility.

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2007, turning diameter 300 mm swing over bed 430 mm swing diameter over slide rest 300 mm control SIEMENS, SINUMERIK 840 D travel -x axis 160 mm travel -z axis 510 mm Part length max. 480 mm main spindle bore 53 mm main spindle speed 0 - 7000 U/min spindle head DIN 55026 A2-5 max. torque on the spindle 100 Nm main spindle drive 15 kW sub spindle bore 53 mm sub spindle speed 0 - 7000 U/min spindle head DIN 55026 A2-5 max. torque on the spindle 100 Nm sub spindle drive 15 kW C-axis resolution 0,001 ° C-axis rapid feed 1000 U/min tool turret 1 x 12 Stat. number of driven tool stations 1 x 12 tool shaft (cylinder shaft DIN 69880) VDI 25 speed of driven tools 0 - 8000 U/min max. torque 16 Nm output 4 kW Nwedpswx R Rkefx Af Esn feed power X/Z axis 4000 / 6000 N rapid traverse X-axis 24 m/min rapid traverse Z-axis 30 m/min total power requirement 38 kVA weight of the machine ca. 4 t dimensions of machine L x W x H 2,65 x 1,84 x 2,32 m Accessories: collet fixture 173 E on main spindle, collet fixture 163 E on sub spindle, bar loading magazine make FMB, model turbo 3-36/3200 A, YOM 2018, for bar dia. up to 36 mm and bar length up to 3200 mm, various toolholders for turret (no driven toolholders), coolant

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2000, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: R6AN3701, turning length: 520 mm, turning diameter: 360 mm, travel distance X-axis: 210 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 610 mm, rotational speed (max.): 6,300 rpm, total height: 1,872 mm, total length: 1,941 mm, total width: 3,074 mm, Equipment: rotational speed infinitely variable, TECHNICAL DETAILS Working Area Swing diameter over bed: 600 mm Nwodpfswxw H Sex Af Ejn Swing diameter over cross slide: 360 mm Slide travel X/Z: 210 / 610 mm Distance main spindle – tailstock: 805 mm Max. workpiece size with tailstock: Ø160 x 520 mm Main Spindle Spindle interface according to DIN 55026: A5 Spindle external diameter at front bearing: Ø80 mm Through-hole hydraulic chuck with drawbar for workpieces up to: Ø160 mm Hollow clamping cylinder with drawtube max. passage: Ø45.5 mm Max. chuck size (spindle size Ø45): Ø160 mm Tailstock Internal taper: MT4 Tailstock travel: 500 mm Max. tailstock force (hydraulically controlled): 8,000 N Feed Drives Feed force X/Z: 5,000 / 7,000 N Rapid traverse speed X/Z: 24 / 24 m/min Acceleration time from 0 to rapid traverse X/Z: 0.2 s Positioning accuracy range X/Z/Z₂: 3 / 5 / 4 µm Main Spindle Drive AC motor power 100/40% duty cycle: 9 / 13 kW Speed range (stepless): 0-6,300 rpm Max. torque: 89 Nm MACHINE DETAILS Dimensions (W x D x H): 3074 mm x 1941 mm x 1872 mm

Year of construction: 2016, condition: ready for operation (used), Control Unit Brand SIEMENS Model 828D Main Drive Nsdpfx Aswwm Rdof Ejwn Spindle speed range 53 / 50 mm Spindle motor power 7.5 / 10 kW Spindle bore 53 / 50 mm Number of axis 2 Movement X-Axis Rapid Traverse 10 m/min Z-Axis Rapid Traverse 10 m/min Workpiece Workpiece drm over bed 400 mm This EMCO Emcomat E-200 was manufactured in 2016. A robust horizontal turning machine featuring a swing over bed of Ø 400 mm and a distance between centers of 1000 mm. It offers a spindle speed range of 50–4000 rpm with stepless speed control and a spindle bore diameter of Ø 80 mm. If you are looking to get high-quality turning capabilities, consider the EMCO Emcomat E-200 machine we have for sale. Contact us for more information. Application Types Turning

Condition: like new (used), Year of construction: 2008, functionality: fully functional, Universal Milling Machine Emco C40 Linear with Digital Display and Path Control, Excellent Condition, CE Compliant! Nwsdpewxxd Esfx Af Esn Technical Data: >> Year of manufacture: 2008 Machine No.: BA1DW2503 >> Milling table clamping surface: 800 x 400 mm Clamping slots: 8 Slot width: 14 H 8 Slot spacing: 50 mm Maximum load: 300 kg >> Infinitely variable spindle speeds: 10–5000 rpm >> Infinitely variable feed rate: 10–2000 mm/min Rapid traverse X-axis: 5000 mm/min >> Travel (X/Y/Z): 450/350/400 mm >> Vertical quill and horizontal spindle – ISO 40 (SK40) >> Hydraulic pull-in system >> Quill stroke: 80 mm >> Weight: approx. 2000 kg >> Dimensions (LxWxH): approx. 2.5 x 2 x 2 m >> Main drive motor: 7 kW >> Spindle brake >> Technical documentation, spare parts diagrams, operating manual >> Hinged enclosure >> Coolant system >> Machine lamp >> Indexing/Dividing attachment with tailstock >> Steady rest >> Röhm machine vice About the machine: Offered for sale is a universal milling machine Emco C40 Linear with path control. This universal milling machine is in almost as-new condition. It comes from a governmental facility where it saw only limited use. The control unit is very user-friendly. Additionally, the machine features hydraulic clamping both vertically and horizontally. Switching from vertical to horizontal setup is very straightforward by simply swinging away the vertical head. The Emco has been both mechanically and electrically inspected by us. Take the opportunity to view and test the machine under power at our location.

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2001, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: R2AP3901, turning length: 700 mm, turning diameter: 220 mm, travel distance X-axis: 160 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 310 mm, rotational speed (max.): 6,300 rpm, total height: 1,940 mm, total length: 1,980 mm, total width: 2,630 mm, TECHNICAL DETAILS Working Area Swing diameter over bed: Ø430 mm Distance between centers with standard tailstock: 700 mm Maximum turning diameter: Ø220 mm Maximum workpiece length: 510 mm Maximum bar capacity: Ø45 mm Cross-slide travel X: 160 mm Cross-slide travel Z with manual tailstock: 310 mm Main Spindle Spindle mount according to DIN 55026: A5 Spindle outer diameter at front bearing: Ø80 mm Solid clamping cylinder with drawbar for chuck parts up to: Ø165 mm Hollow clamping cylinder with draw tube max. through-hole: Ø45 mm Maximum chuck size: Ø160 mm Main Spindle Drive AC motor, power (100% / 40% duty cycle) with integrated holding brake: 9 / 13 kW Speed range (infinitely variable): 0–6,300 rpm Max. torque: 78 Nm C-Axis (Rotary Axis) Rotary axis resolution: 0.001° Rapid traverse: 100 rpm Feed Drives AC motors for X and Z axis feed force X/Z: 4,000 / 6,000 N Rapid traverse speed X/Z: 20 / 24 m/min Acceleration time from 0 to rapid traverse X/Z: 0.2 s Position scatter Ps according to VDI 3441 in X/Z: 3 / 5 µm Tool System Disk turret with directional logic Tool holders according to DIN 69880: VDI 30 Tool cross-section for square tools: 20 x 20 mm Shank diameter for boring bars: Ø32 mm Number of tool stations: 12 Turret indexing time: 0.14 s Standard Tailstock Travel: 460 mm Quill stroke: 120 mm Quill diameter: Ø60 mm Internal taper for live center: MT4 Quill thrust: 5,000 N Nedpfowxw Aasx Af Eewn MACHINE DETAILS Footprint: 2.63 m x 1.98 m x 1.94 m Space requirement: 3.0 x 1.92 m Height: 1.88 m Weight: 3.8 t

Condition: like new (used), Year of construction: 2008, functionality: fully functional, Equipment: documentation/manual, Universal Milling Machine Emco C40 Linear with Digital Display and Path Control Very Good CONDITION CE-Compliant!! Technical Data: >> Year of manufacture: 2008 Machine No. BA1DW2501 >> Milling table clamping surface: 800 x 400 mm Clamping slots: 8 Slot width: 14 H 8 Slot spacing: 50 mm Max. load: 300 kg >> Infinitely variable spindle speeds: 10–5000 rpm >> Infinitely variable feed: 10–2000 mm/min Rapid traverse X: 5000 mm/min >> Travel X/Y/Z: 450/350/400 mm >> Vertical and horizontal spindle – SK40 >> Hydraulic drawbar system >> Quill stroke: 80 mm >> Weight approx. 2000 kg >> Dimensions approx.: 2.5 x 2 x 2 m >> Main drive motor: 7 kW >> Spindle brake >> Technical documentation, spare parts diagrams, operating manual >> Hinged safety enclosure >> Coolant system >> Machine lamp >> Dividing head with tailstock >> Counterholder >> Röhm machine vice Nodowxxdfepfx Af Eswn About the machine: For sale is a universal milling machine Emco C40 Linear with path control. This universal milling machine is in almost as-new condition. It comes from a government facility where it was only used occasionally. The control system is very user-friendly. Furthermore, the machine is equipped with hydraulic clamping in both vertical and horizontal modes. Switching from vertical to horizontal operation is very simple by folding away the vertical head. The Emco has been mechanically and electrically inspected by us. Take advantage of the opportunity to view and test the machine under power at our location.

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2007, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: R2EV3502, turning length: 310 mm, turning diameter: 220 mm, travel distance X-axis: 160 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 310 mm, rotational speed (max.): 6,300 rpm, total length: 1,630 mm, total width: 2,250 mm, overall weight: 3,300 kg, bar passage: 45 mm, Equipment: rotational speed infinitely variable, TECHNICAL DETAILS Swing diameter over bed: ø 430 mm Maximum turning diameter: ø 220 mm Maximum turning length: 310 mm Maximum bar capacity: ø 45 mm Distance between centers (spindle nose - tailstock center): 687 mm Carriage Travel Carriage travel X-axis: 160 mm Carriage travel Z-axis: 310 mm Main Spindle Spindle connection according to DIN 55026: KK5 Spindle outer diameter at front bearing: ø 80 mm Main Spindle Drive AC motor, power (100%/40% duty cycle): 9/13 kW With integrated holding brake for driven tools Speed range (infinitely variable): 0–6,300 rpm Max. torque: 78 Nm C-Axis (Rotational Axis) C-axis resolution: 0.001° Input for Sinumerik/Fanuc drives: 1,000 / 100 rpm Spindle indexing (disc brake, for driven tools): 0.01° Feed Drives AC motors in X and Z axis Feed force X/Z: 4,000 / 6,000 N Rapid traverse speed X/Z: 20 / 24 m/min Acceleration time from 0 to rapid traverse X/Z: 0.2 s Position dispersion Pₛₙ according to VDI 3441 in X/Z: 3 / 3 µm Tool System Nsdpfx Ajwxwvajf Eown Disc turret with directional logic Tool holders according to DIN 69880: VDI 30 Tool interface for square tools: 20 × 20 mm Shank diameter for boring bars: ø 32 mm Number of tool stations: 12 Turret indexing time: 0.14 s MACHINE DETAILS Total connected load: 17 kW Machine weight: approx. 3.3 t Space requirement: 2.25 x 1.63 x 1.94 m

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 1995, functionality: fully functional, Emcomat Emco EM20D Lead and Feed Lathe, built in 1995, in excellent condition, CE compliant! Technical specifications: >> Year of manufacture: 1995 >> Center height 200 mm >> Swing over bed 400 mm >> Swing over cross slide 250 mm >> Turning length: 1000 mm Nodewag Stopfx Af Eewn >> Spindle speed: 4 speed levels, continuously variable from 35-3000 rpm >> Quill stroke 120 mm >> Tailstock: MT3 >> Spindle bore: 50 mm >> 20 longitudinal feeds 0.045 / 0.787 mm/rev >> 20 cross feeds 0.023 / 0.406 mm/rev >> Space requirements / installation dimensions approx. length 1.900 x depth 0.9 x height 1.3 meters >> Weight approx. 850 kg Accessories and equipment: >> 3-axis position indicator >> 1 piece Three-jaw chuck with 1 set of jaws >> Tool holder with 3 pockets >> Chip return wall >> Coolant system >> Bed stop About the machine: Offered is an Emcomat 20D centerline and feed spindle lathe, built in 1995, in lightly used condition. The machine is fully functional. All slides run very smoothly and evenly. The bed guides are in very good condition. Take advantage of the opportunity to view this machine on-site under power and see for yourself its condition.

Condition: excellent (used), functionality: fully functional, Emcomat 17D Lead and Feed Screw Lathe with 3-Axis Digital Readout K&C New from Training Workshop Excellent Condition!!! Technical Data: >> Year of manufacture: approx. 2000 >> Machine no.: D3F H1 010 >> Centre height: 170 mm >> Swing over bed: 340 mm >> Swing over cross slide: 190 mm >> Turning length: 700 mm >> Spindle speed: 4 speed ranges, stepless from 35 to 3000 rpm >> Tailstock quill stroke: 120 mm Nwjdpfx Aswvuf Tjf Esn >> Tailstock: MT3 >> Spindle bore: 50 mm >> 20 longitudinal feeds: 0.045 – 0.787 mm/rev >> 20 cross feeds: 0.023 – 0.406 mm/rev >> Required floor space approx. (L x D x H): 1.600 x 0.9 x 1.3 meters >> Weight: approx. 730 kg Equipment and Accessories: >> 3-axis digital readout from K&C, new, with 12 months manufacturer’s warranty and operating manual Functions: mm/inch switching, coordinate selection ABS/INC, value halving, reference point, tool programming for 200 tools, taper calculation, radius/diameter display, quick zeroing, count direction switching >> 1 piece three-jaw chuck NEW 160 mm, 2 sets of jaws >> Multifix B toolholder with 2 tool pockets >> Chip guard >> Coolant system About the machine: Offered here is an Emcomat 17D lead and feed screw lathe, approx. year 2000, in very good condition. The machine is of course fully functional. The bedways are in excellent condition. The Emco is equipped with a new 3-axis digital readout from K&C and a new three-jaw chuck. Take the opportunity to inspect the machine under power on site and see the condition for yourself.