Used Mazak Fh-4800 for sale (1,843)

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2002, travel distance X-axis: 560 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 610 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 560 mm, controller manufacturer: MAZATROL, controller model: PC-FUSION-CNC, total height: 2,650 mm, overall weight: 11,500 kg, This 4-axis Mazak FH-4800 horizontal machining center was manufactured in 2002. It offers robust and precise machining capabilities, ideal for a variety of applications. Consider the opportunity to buy this Mazak FH-4800 horizontal machining center. Contact us for more information about this machine. Additional equipment • Tool Capacity: 64 positions • Maximum Tool Diameter: 150 mm /Maximum Tool Length: 375 mm/ Maximum Tool Weight: 12 kg Machine Benefits Technical Machine Benefits • Rapid traverse rate (x/y/z): 50 m/min Iaodpfx Aex D Ihuea Esw • Pallet size: 400 mm x 400 mm • Number of pallets: 2 / pallet indexing: 1° increments / maximum load capacity per pallet: 400 kg • Spindle taper: iso 40/ spindle speed range: 0 – 12000 rpm • Spindle motor power: 22 kw (30 min)/ 15 kw (20 min) /11 kw (continuous) • Distance from spindle center to pallet top: 50 – 660 mm Extra Information In the last 3 years, they changed the spindle, servo, encoder, motor, cover.. More than 40k to keep the machine in good condition. Dimensions Machine Depth 4200 mm

Condition: used, Year of construction: 1997, travel distance X-axis: 1,300 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 1,100 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 1,000 mm, controller manufacturer: Mazatrol, overall weight: 36,000 kg, controller model: M-Plus, tool weight: 2,200 g, CNC Horizontal Machining Centre with Palletech Table size 800 x 800 mm. Table NCRT. Number of pallets 14. Movement x-Axis 1300 mm. y-Axis 1100 mm. z-Axis 1000 mm. Table indexing 0,001°. Iodoy N A Eujpfx Aa Esaw Number of tools in magazine 237 pieces. Maximum spindle speed 35-7.000 min. Tool taper DIN 69871A-50. CNC control M-plus If you have any questions concerning the machine, please do not hesitate to contact us by phone or e-mail. Feel free to view our other advertisements for a complete overview of our stock.

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2001, travel distance X-axis: 710 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 610 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 660 mm, controller manufacturer: Mazatrol, total height: 3,050 mm, total length: 7,109 mm, total width: 7,805 mm, overall weight: 11,600 kg, table length: 500 mm, table width: 500 mm, controller model: Fusion 640 M, rotational speed (max.): 15,000 rpm, rotational speed (min.): 35 rpm, spindle speed (max.): 15,000 rpm, spindle speed (min.): 35 rpm, table load: 500 kg, Horizontal Machining Centre with Palletech CNC Control Mazatrol Fusion 640M Pallet table size 500 x 500 mm Number of pallets 10x Iajdpfx Aasy Nz Iue Esw Table load 500 kg Movement X-axis 710 mm Movement Y-axis 610 mm Movement Z-axis 660 mm Table indexing 360 x 1° Spindle Taper DIN 69871A Spindle speed 35 - 15.000 R/min Magazin capacity 120 If you have any questions concerning the machine, please do not hesitate to contact us by phone or e-mail. Feel free to view our other advertisements for a complete overview of our stock.

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2003, travel distance X-axis: 1,300 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 1,100 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 1,000 mm, spindle speed (max.): 7,000 rpm, Used Mazak FH-8800 Horizontal Machining Center Spindle cooling Iedpfx Ajyuyfhsa Esaw Maximum spindle speed: 7000 rpm Z- 1000 mm X- 1300 mm Y- 1100 mm Tool magazine for 80 tools 1 spindle, 2 pallets, 800x800 mm cubes, x-z-y-b, 4-axis

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2007, travel distance X-axis: 1,050 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 800 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 880 mm, spindle speed (max.): 7,000 rpm, Used Mazak FH-8800 horizontal machining center Max spindle speed: 7000 rpm Including spindle cooling Z-880 X-1050 Iodsyvf Ttepfx Aa Esaw Y-800 Tool magazine for 80 tools 1 spindle, 2 pallets, 500x500 mm cubes, 4-axis (x-z-y-b)

Condition: used, Year of construction: 1996, functionality: fully functional, travel distance X-axis: 1,100 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 800 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 825 mm, controller model: Mazatrol M Plus, table width: 630 mm, table length: 630 mm, overall weight: 19,800 kg, spindle speed (max.): 10,000 rpm, Mazak FH 680 X • X axis 1100 mm • Y axis 800 mm • Z axis 825 mm • Rotary table 360° – 1° indexing • 2 pallets • Table size 630x630 mm • 10,000 rpm, BT 50 • Through-spindle coolant (IKZ) • Year of manufacture: 1996 • 19,800 kg Can be inspected under power. Iedpfx Aasyan Die Ejaw

Year of construction: 1999, condition: ready for operation (used), Travel X/Y/Z: 1050mm/800mm/880mm, B-axis: 360°, table dimensions X/Y: 630mm/630mm, number of pallets: 2, max. workpiece weight: 1500kg, speed: 7000rpm, tool holder: SK50, power: 30kW, tool positions: 80, max. tool diameter: 135mm/260mm, max. tool weight: 30kg, rapid traverse: 40m/min. Machine dimensions X/Y/Z: approx. 6400mm/2600mm/3200mm, weight: approx. 19700kg, control: Mazatrol 640M PC-Fusion-CNC. Including 2-fold pallet changer for 630mm/630mm pallets. Documentation available. On-site inspection is possible. Iasdpsvnd Suefx Aa Eow

Year of construction: 1997, condition: ready for operation (used), Travel X/Y/Z: 1300mm/1100mm/1000mm, table dimensions X/Y: 800mm/800mm, number of pallets: 14, max. table load: 2200kg, table indexing: 0.001°. Speed: 7000rpm, spindle power: 50hp, tool magazine: 80, dimensions X/Y/Z: approx. 7000mm/3400mm/3800mm, weight: approx. 24000kg. On-site inspection is possible. Iaedpetx Dn Usfx Aa Eow

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2005, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: 255179729, travel distance X-axis: 1,050 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 800 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 880 mm, rapid traverse X-axis: 40 m/min, rapid traverse Y-axis: 40 m/min, rapid traverse Z-axis: 40 m/min, nominal power (apparent): 74 kVA, torque: 525 Nm, controller manufacturer: Mazak, controller model: 640M, workpiece height (max.): 1,000 mm, workpiece diameter (max.): 1,050 mm, workpiece weight (max.): 1,500 kg, total height: 3,200 mm, total length: 6,400 mm, total width: 2,600 mm, table width: 630 mm, table length: 630 mm, table load: 1,500 kg, overall weight: 19,700 kg, spindle speed (min.): 50 rpm, spindle speed (max.): 10,000 rpm, spindle nose: BT 50, number of spindles: 1, number of slots in tool magazine: 80, mount diameter: 50 mm, tool length: 500 mm, tool diameter: 420 mm, tool weight: 30,000 g, Equipment: chip conveyor, documentation/manual, rotational speed infinitely variable, The machine is in full working order. It is being sold due to a new acquisition and lack of space. The table has a swivel axis of 1/360°. Included with the machine are some tool holders, an external coolant drum filter tank with a capacity of approximately 800-900 liters (L/W/H: 1800mm, 800mm, 650mm), a Renishaw MP10 measuring probe system, a grid structure in front of the machine (partially mobile), and 2 pallets measuring 630x630. Machine dimensions L/W/H: approximately 6400mm/2600mm/3200mm. The buyer is responsible for dismantling and removing the machine. The machine can be inspected while powered on. Appointment by arrangement. Iajdpfjzkkdrex Aa Ejw

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2004, travel distance X-axis: 730 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 730 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 740 mm, controller manufacturer: Mazatrol, total height: 3,050 mm, total length: 7,805 mm, total width: 7,109 mm, overall weight: 11,600 kg, table length: 500 mm, table width: 500 mm, controller model: Fusion 640 M, spindle speed (max.): 12,000 rpm, tool weight: 700 g, Equipment: documentation/manual, CNC Horizontal Machining Centre CNC Control Mazatrol 640M Pallet table size 500 x 500 mm Number of pallets 10 Table load 700 kg Movement X-axis 730 mm Movement Y-axis 730 mm Movement Z-axis 740 mm Table indexing 360 x1 ° Iedpfx Asy Nzraja Eoaw Spindle Taper CAT 40 Spindle 12.000 1/min Spindle motor 22/15 kW Magazin capacity 80 Required floor space 9850 x 10145 mm If you have any questions concerning the machine, please do not hesitate to contact us by phone or e-mail. Feel free to view our other advertisements for a complete overview of our stock.

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2000, travel distance X-axis: 800 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 800 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 880 mm, nominal power (apparent): 61 kVA, controller manufacturer: Mazatrol, controller model: 640M, workpiece height (max.): 1,000 mm, workpiece diameter (max.): 900 mm, workpiece weight (max.): 1,000 kg, total height: 3,200 mm, total length: 6,100 mm, total width: 3,500 mm, table width: 500 mm, table length: 500 mm, overall weight: 18,000 kg, spindle speed (min.): 35 rpm, spindle speed (max.): 7,000 rpm, spindle motor power: 26,000 W, Equipment: chip conveyor, Dear Sir or Madam, Iodoxf T Txjpfx Aa Esaw we are offering you a used CNC horizontal machining center "MAZAK" in good condition. Please refer to the attached file for details.

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2006, operating hours: 45,559 h, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: 183519, travel distance X-axis: 730 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 730 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 740 mm, workpiece length (max.): 1,000 mm, workpiece width (max.): 800 mm, overall weight: 11,350 kg, TECHNICAL DETAILS Worktable: Pallet size 500 x 500 mm Max. workpiece dimensions: 800 x 1,000 mm Travel X-axis: 730 mm Travel Y-axis: 730 mm Travel Z-axis: 740 mm Spindle diameter: 215 mm Feed rate: 1 – 60,000 mm/min Rapid traverse max.: 60 m/min Spindle speed range: 35 – 12,000 rpm Internal coolant supply: 70 bar MACHINE DETAILS Iajdpfsyn I Scox Aa Ejw Control model: Mazatrol PC Fusion CNC 640M Operating hours: 45,559 h Machine weight: approx. 11,350 kg EQUIPMENT Renishaw measuring probe Chip conveyor Tool magazine: 160 equipped positions + approx. 60 additional tools Palletech high-bay pallet system: 16 pallets + 2 loading stations

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2006, operating hours: 45,559 h, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: 183519, travel distance X-axis: 730 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 730 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 740 mm, workpiece length (max.): 1,000 mm, workpiece width (max.): 800 mm, overall weight: 11,350 kg, - Year of manufacture: 2006 - Worktable: pallet size 500 x 500 mm - Workpiece dimensions: max. 800 x 1000 mm - Travels: X 730 mm / Y 730 mm / Z 740 mm - Spindle diameter: 215 mm - Control: Mazatrol PC Fusion CNC 640M - Feed rate: 1 – 60,000 mm/min - Rapid traverse (X, Y, Z): max. 60 m/min - Speed range (2 steps): 35 – 12,000 rpm - Internal coolant supply – 70 bar - Renishaw measuring probe - Chip conveyor - Tool magazine: equipped with 160 slots + approx. 60 additional tools - Palletech high-bay system: 16 pallets + 2 loading stations - Machine hours: 45,559 h - Machine weight: approx. 11,350 kg Iedpfxoylh R Ts Aa Eeaw - Serial no. 183519 Net price excluding dismantling and unloaded ex-works Luckenwalde (Germany), without transport

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2012, operating hours: 25,960 h, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: 238911, travel distance X-axis: 1,400 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 1,200 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 1,325 mm, table length: 800 mm, spindle speed (max.): 8,000 rpm, TECHNICAL DETAILS Travel range, X-axis: 1,400 mm Travel range, Y-axis: 1,200 mm Travel range, Z-axis: 1,325 mm Table area (L x W): 800 x 800 mm Spindle speed: 8,000 rpm Spindle torque: 1,218 Nm Tool changer positions: 80 MACHINE DETAILS Number of pallets: 2 Dimensions & Weight Dimensions (L x W x H): approx. 8,000 x 3,000 x 3,500 mm Weight: approx. 30,800 kg Operating Hours (according to image) Operating hours: 54,415 h Power-on hours: 30,498 h Cutting hours: 25,960 h Iajdpfxjzi Ai Ro Aa Eow EQUIPMENT Tool magazine for 80 tools, SK 50 DIN69871 Air blow-off device on the workpiece Interface for high-pressure cooling system 70 bar, Knoll Chip conveyor Preparation for Mazak Monitoring System B, optical probe type OMP60 Synchronized tapping Rapid traverse with constant pitch during angular movements 2-pallet changer Spindle with increased torque NC rotary table with 360,000 positions MAZAK Monitoring System B, optical probe type OMP60 Automatic tool length measurement

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2021, travel distance X-axis: 1,740 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 530 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 660 mm, table width: 760 mm, table length: 2,300 mm, table load: 1,400 kg, spindle speed (max.): 12,000 rpm, number of slots in tool magazine: 30, number of axes: 3, This 3-axis Mazak VTC-530C was manufactured in 2021. It features an impressive X-axis travel of 1740 mm, Y-axis travel of 530 mm, and Z-axis travel of 660 mm. The machine includes a robust table size of 2300 x 760 mm and a maximum table load capacity of 1400 kg. If you are looking to get high-quality machining capabilities, consider the Mazak VTC-530C vertical machining centre we have for sale. Contact us for further details. • CNC control unit: Mazak SmoothG • Table: surface T-slots • Max workpiece dimensions: 4100 mm x 905 mm x 790 mm • Distance table top to spindle nose: 180 mm • Rapid feedrate (X/Y/Z): 42,000 mm/min • Coolant pressure: 25 bar Iaodpfx Aaszmhg Ae Eew • Cumulative machine hours: • Power On (Accensione): 13920:02'22" • Auto Operation (Op. Autom.): 10602:32'58" • Auto Cut (Op. Aut. Tag): 10048:01'46" • Cut Time (Op. Di Tag.): 7162:26'22" • Total Time (Tempo Tot.): 13920:02'20" Technical Specification Taper Size ISO 40

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2019, travel distance X-axis: 3,000 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 800 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 720 mm, controller manufacturer: MAZATROL, spindle speed (max.): 18,000 rpm, number of slots in tool magazine: 48, number of axes: 3, This 3-axis Mazak VTC-800/30SR was manufactured in 2019. It features a spacious table size of 3500 x 800 mm and impressive X-axis travel of 3000 mm. The machine is equipped with a maximum spindle speed of 18,000 rpm and a tool magazine capacity of 48 positions. If you are looking to get high-quality machining capabilities, consider the Mazak VTC-800/30SR vertical machining centre we have for sale. Contact us for further details. • Table size: 3500 x 800 mm • Control/software features: G00 constant acceleration ramp; cylindrical interpolation (G07.1); polar coordinates (G12.1) • 5-axis capability: Full 5-axis package enabled in control (note: no 5th-axis rotary table included) Additional equipment • Coolant through spindle, high pressure 20 bar • Tool eye/presetter with automatic tool presence and tool breakage detection • Air blow, adjustable nozzle on spindle flange • Chip conveyor: Mayfran, right-side hinge-type belt • Central partition wall • 3-color status light • Additional work area lighting Technical Specification Taper Size ISO 40 Iodozmg I Eopfx Aa Eoaw

Condition: used, Year of construction: 1990, functionality: fully functional, turning length: 250 mm, turning diameter: 160 mm, travel distance X-axis: 100 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 290 mm, Mazatrol T 32-2 CNC control main spindle: collet chuck device sub spindle: collet chuck device 8-fold revolver bar loading device Technische Daten / technical details: max. Drehdurchmesser / max. turning diameter 160 mm Iodpfjzmfdxox Aa Esaw max. Schwingdurchmesser / max. rotary diameter 300 mm Drehlänge / turning length 250 mm X-Weg / X-travel 100 mm Z-Weg / Z-travel 290 mm Durchlass / spindle hole 40 mm Drehzahl / spindle speed 45-4500 UpM /rpm Gewicht der Maschine / weight 3500 kg Technische Daten, Zubehör und Beschreibung der Maschine sind unverbindlich - Technical data, accessories and description of the machine are not binding.

Condition: used, Year of construction: 1999, functionality: fully functional, turning length: 497 mm, turning diameter: 300 mm, travel distance X-axis: 180 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 100 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 575 mm, Mazatrol PC Fusion CNC 640T CNC control 3-jaw chuck 12-fold revolver C-axis driven tools Y-axis tool presetting device (tool eye) tail stock chip conveyor coolant device bar loading device for 3m bars Technische Daten: / technical details max. Dreh-Ø / max. turning Ø 300 mm max. Schwing-Ø / max rotary-Ø 525 mm Iedpfx Aozmd Tlsa Ejaw max. Drehlänge / max. turning length 497 mm Drehzahl / spindle speed 35-4000 UpM/ rpm Anzahl der Revolverplätze / numbers of tool places 12 X-Verfahrweg / x-travel 180 mm Z-Verfahrweg / z-travel 575 mm Y-Verfahrweg / y-travel +-50 mm Futterdurchlass / spindle hole diameter 62 mm Eilganggeschwindigkeit X, Z / rapid feed X, Z 30, 30 m/min. Gewicht der Maschine ca. / weight ca. 5500 kg Technische Daten, Zubehör und Beschreibung der Maschine sind unverbindlich - Technical data, accessories and description of the machine are not binding.

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2015, MAZAK QUICK TURN NEXUS 200-II MSY Max. machining diameter: 380 mm Max. machining length: 511 mm Iaedpfx Aaozczd Us Eow Max. milling speed: 4,500 rpm Max. spindle speed: 5,000 rpm Max. bar diameter: 65 mm Machine is equipped with: - CNC control system Mazatrol Matrix 2 - Hydraulic HAINBUCH chuck, combination type, size 65 for main spindle - Hydraulic HAINBUCH chuck, combination type, size 65 for counter spindle - Tool Eye - C-axis - C-axis counter spindle, input accuracy 0.0001° - Y-axis - Interface for bar feeder - Automatic parts catcher - Reinforced coolant pump - MAYFRAN chip conveyor - 8 pcs. fixed tool holders - 2 pcs. driven tool holders

Condition: reconditioned (used), Year of construction: 2012, functionality: fully functional, MAZAK QUICK TURN NEXUS 250-II MY Max. turning diameter: 380 mm Max. machining length: 504 mm Max. milling speed: 4,500 rpm Max. spindle speed: 4,000 rpm Max. bar diameter: 74 mm Machine is equipped with: - CNC control Mazatrol Matrix Nexus 2 - KITAGAWA three-jaw chuck B-210, diameter 254 mm - Tool Eye - C-axis Iedpfsyy Ad Eex Aa Ejaw - Y-axis - automatic parts catcher - NC tailstock - reinforced coolant pump - MAYFRAN chip conveyor - 8 fixed tool holders - 2 driven tool holders

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2008, operating hours: 13,169 h, travel distance X-axis: 1,050 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 510 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 510 mm, controller manufacturer: MAZATROL, controller model: Matrix Nexus, table width: 550 mm, table length: 1,300 mm, table load: 1,200 kg, overall weight: 6,920 kg, spindle speed (max.): 12,000 rpm, number of slots in tool magazine: 30, number of axes: 3, This 3-axis Mazak Vertical Center Nexus 510C-II was manufactured in 2008. It features an impressive X-axis travel of 1050 mm, Y-axis travel of 510 mm, and Z-axis travel of 510 mm. The machine includes a robust table size of 1300 x 550 mm and a maximum table load of 1200 kg. If you are looking to get high-quality machining capabilities, consider the Mazak Vertical Center Nexus 510C-II machine we have for sale. Contact us for further details. Iaedpfxszl S S Tj Aa Ejw - Control System: Mazatrol Matrix Nexus (with Mazak Voice Adviser)- Axis Travel X/Y/Z: 1050 / 510 / 510 mm- Table Dimensions: 1300 x 550 mm- Maximum Table Load: 1200 kg- Spindle Speed: Up to 12000 rpm- Spindle Details: Completely renewed in September 2025 by Mazak factory service (original replacement spindle cartridge, high-precision version, clamping force 10.1 kN, runout 0.002-0.005 mm)- Tool Taper: SK 40 / BT 40- Tool Magazine Capacity: 30 stations- Tool Changer Type: Double gripper changer- Rapid Traverse Rate: Up to 42 m/min- Total Power-On Time: 46722 hours (as of 07.07.2026)- Automatic Operation Time: 17776 hours- Cutting Time: 15817 hours- Pure Cutting Time: 13169 hours- Weight: Approx. 6920 kg- Power Supply: 3AC 380 V, 50/60 Hz, approx. 33.8 kVA- Control Circuit: AC100V, DC24V- Main Motor: Max. 47 A, 400 V- Included Accessories / Components:* Chip conveyor (chain conveyor) with discharge to chip container* Donaldson Torit DCE oil mist separator* Portable electronic handwheel* Coolant system with spray gun / compressed air gun* Machine vise (NC vise)* Approx. 100 SK 40 tool holders* Tilting chip container (green cart)* Worklight / interior lighting* Full enclosure- Renewed parts during 09/2025 service: Spindle cartridge, rotary joint, non-return valves, filters for air/lubricating oil, oil mist separator element Technical Specification Taper Size SK 40

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 1998, Used Mazak lathe Iasdpfx Aaszl Ruae Eow Type: Quick Turn 10N-U Maximum turning length: 450 mm Spindle bore: 55 mm Mazatrol CAM T-2 control system Includes various tooling

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2004, functionality: fully functional, turning length: 2,000 mm, Mazak CNC Mill – Turn Centre Model: E-650H Control: Mazatrol 640M Pro Year: 2004 Distance Between Centres: 2000mm Swing Over Bed: 905mm Machine With: C Axis Iasdszlhp Iepfx Aa Ejw Y Axis Live Tooling/Milling B Axis 800mm Power Chuck Manual Steady 375mm Open Steady 600mm Air Filer Mist

Year of construction: 2007, condition: excellent (used), TOP CONDITION - OVERHAULED IN 2022! Year of construction: 2007 Table format: 3000 x 1500 x 100 mm Power: 4000W Control: Mazatrol preview with LAN / USB incl. cooler incl. linear drives on all axes incl. programming software incl. training incl. commissioning incl. quick piercing incl. ball roller table incl. 4 x head change magazine incl. 2 cutting heads incl. 10 x automatic nozzle changer FE: up to 20mm VA: up to 12mm oxide-free designed for high pressure cutting up to 20 bar No Foundation is necessary! Iodpfxohturvj Aa Eeaw Optional automatic loading and unloading by Mazak CELL510 could be offered with warranty / commissioning / training always regularly serviced

Year of construction: 2001, condition: refurbished (used), low price laser cutting machine NTX48 1,5kW Iaedpehturcsfx Aa Ejw refurbished, MAZAK lasercutting machine with 1500W table size: 2500mm x 1250mm machine dimension 2,6m x 6m parts conveyor full covered machine table FE: 12mm VA: 6mm plastics possible to cut incl. software incl. exhauster to test under power ! option: warranty, setup, training