Used Karstens A/Ase for sale (68,045)

Condition: new, Year of construction: 2026, functionality: fully functional, input voltage: 230 V, type of input current: AC, laser power: 30 W, type of cooling: air, total width: 400 mm, total height: 690 mm, total length: 600 mm, overall weight: 45 kg, height adjustment type: electric, scan area length: 110 mm, scan area width: 110 mm, space requirement height: 900 mm, laser wavelength: 1,064 nm, ambient temperature (min.): 15 °C, ambient temperature (max.): 35 °C, input frequency: 50 Hz, laser type: fiber laser, The LAS 22 is a compact tabletop unit with a small working area, ideally suited for small parts. Due to its small size, the unit is very practical and can be used anywhere. The device is very easy to operate without programming knowledge - Fiber laser 30 Watt (Optional: 20 Watt, 50 Watt) - Laser class 1 - Wavelength 1064nm - Marking field size 110 x110mm - marking software EZCAD in German / English - Pilot laser (simple preview/contour) - Focus finder (simple focusing) - Max. Component height approx. 95 mm - Grid holes for fixtures - Clamping area 310x190mm Bwjdsy I Nbmjpfx Ak Eol - Electrically adjustable Z-axis - Electric door with anti-trap protection - optional: exhaust system (incl. activated carbon filter) - Welded steel plate construction - Connection 230V - Air cooled - Laptop with Windows operating system (German or English) - dimensions: LBH 600x 400x 690 mm - weight: approx. 45 Kg - low operating costs - marking of various materials

Condition: reconditioned (used), functionality: fully functional, Year of construction: 2018, operating hours: 4,691 h, machine/vehicle number: A0261G0093, controller model: Siemens Sinumerik 840D SL, laser type: fiber laser, laser power: 8,000 W, sheet thickness (max.): 32 mm, travel distance X-axis: 6,000 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 2,500 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 115 mm, No reserve price – guaranteed sale to the highest bidder! TECHNICAL DETAILS Working area X-axis: 6,000 mm Working area Y-axis: 2,500 mm Working area Z-axis: 115 mm Maximum sheet thickness, mild steel: 32 mm Maximum sheet thickness, stainless steel: 30 mm Maximum sheet thickness, aluminum: 25 mm Maximum sheet thickness, copper: 10 mm Maximum sheet thickness, brass: 10 mm Maximum workpiece weight, pallet changer: 3,300 kg Maximum workpiece weight, both pallets: 5,700 kg Max. speed: 140 m/min MACHINE DETAILS Control unit: Siemens Sinumerik 840D SL Operating system: Windows 10 IoT Laser power: 8,000 W Laser type: TruDisk 8001 Average power consumption: 17 kW Compressed air: 5 m³/h Dimensions (L x W x H): 16,770 x 7,158 x 2,130 mm Operating hours NC on-hours: 17,501 h Laser on-hours: 4,691 h EQUIPMENT Incline conveyor Fully enclosed machine frame Viewing window Automatic pallet changer Bedey Iz N Aspfx Ak Ejwl Left-side installation Cooling unit Dust cover for control cabinet Working area lighting Process monitoring cameras Multi-sheet processing Positioning laser DetectLine BrightLine Smart Collision Prevention Performance Package Melt Cutting Copper cutting package Brass cutting package Highspeed cutting package Drop&Cut

Condition: new, empty load weight: 3,210 kg, maximum load weight: 8,690 kg, overall weight: 11,900 kg, axle configuration: 2 axles, loading space length: 6,000 mm, loading space width: 2,000 mm, suspension: other, tire size: 235 / 75 R 17,5, color: other, gearing type: other, front tire size: 235 / 75 R 17,5, rear tire size: 235 / 75 R 17,5, driver cabin: other, emission class: none, fuel: biodiesel, Equipment: ABS, compressed air brake, Loading height loaded: 590 mm, reinforced steel checker plate floor, 2 x ramps (2,600 mm long x 900 mm wide), 10 lashing eyes (2 t) on the outer frame, 8 lashing boxes (5 t) in the corners, geared support winch with load and fast gear, front, 2 times folding supports, rear, , Chassis and body hot-dip galvanized, , Surcharge for support frame for cutter belt 600 ¤, Also with mechanical ramps in stock! , -- Misprints, errors and changes excepted, Sample pictures --, More data under: !, More Details: ! Bwsdpfx Aksy Izu Sj Esl

Condition: ready for operation (used), functionality: fully functional, Year of construction: 2009, operating hours: 18,649 h, laser power: 5,000 W, sheet thickness steel (max.): 25 mm, sheet thickness stainless steel (max.): 20 mm, travel distance X-axis: 3,000 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 1,500 mm, TECHNICAL DETAILS Working area (L x W): 3,000 mm x 1,500 mm Laser power: 5,000 W Maximum sheet thickness, mild steel: 25 mm Maximum sheet thickness, stainless steel: 20 mm Maximum sheet thickness, aluminium: 12 mm Bwodpfxoy Iwmds Ak Esl MACHINE DETAILS Control type: CNC Operating hours NC ON: 38,900 h Operating hours laser ON: 39,498 h Operating hours beam ON: 18,649 h Machine weight: 12,000 kg

Condition: ready for operation (used), functionality: fully functional, Year of construction: 2008, operating hours: 45,815 h, laser power: 5,000 W, sheet thickness steel (max.): 25 mm, travel distance X-axis: 3,000 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 1,500 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 115 mm, Included in the purchase: TruLaser 5030 Classic + LiftMaster L3030 + TruFlow 5000 TECHNICAL DETAILS Travel X-axis: 3,000 mm Travel Y-axis: 1,500 mm Travel Z-axis: 115 mm Laser power: 5,000 W Max. sheet thickness - mild steel: 25 mm Max. sheet thickness - stainless steel: 20 mm Max. sheet thickness - aluminium: 12 mm Max. workpiece weight: 900 kg MACHINE DETAILS Control type: CNC Bwedpoy Iwl Tofx Ak Eol Beam-on hours: 45,815 h Laser-on hours: 86,475 h Dimensions & Weight Dimensions (L x W x H): 11,100 x 4,600 x 2,400 mm Machine weight: 12,000 kg

Year of construction: 2026, condition: new, functionality: fully functional, overall weight: 45 kg, total length: 350 mm, total width: 605 mm, total height: 1,080 mm, input voltage: 230 V, laser power: 20 W, laser wavelength: 1,064 nm, scan area length: 70 mm, scan area width: 70 mm, type of input current: AC, laser type: fiber laser, The mobile laser LAS 23 portable is characterized by its compact design. Small, handy and with custom-made attachments that can be individually exchanged in the quick-change system. With its mobile base, it can be moved to the workpieces to be marked. This makes it suitable for small, large and heavy workpieces. Bedpfx Aeu Smcbek Eswl With the powerful laser software, texts, numbers, 2D codes, QR codes and logos can be realized with just a few clicks without extensive programming knowledge. Serial and item numbers are automatically incremented by the software after prior setting. In addition, the software can read data (variable information such as drawing numbers, project designations, etc.) from existing tables and automatically transfer them to predefined areas. The use of a hand scanner is also possible. Made in Germany - Fiber laser 20W (optional: 30 Watt, 50 Watt) - Laser class 1 - CE compliant, according to EU directives - Wavelength 1064nm - Marking field size 70x70mm (optional: larger) - Signal lamp for indication of operating status - marking software EZCAD - Connection 230V - Air cooled - Laptop with Windows operating system - Dimensions: 350 x 605 x 1080mm (LxWxH) - Weight: approx. 40 Kg - weight of portable laser unit 2,8 Kg - Fiber optic cable approx. 2,50 m - Extraction optional

Condition: new, For sale: new Grundfos CRN5-11 vertical multistage pump. The pump has never been used and comes from warehouse surplus. The equipment is in excellent condition, stored in its original packaging. Manufacturer's documentation included in the set. Grundfos CRN series pumps are designed for use in industrial and water installations. They are characterized by high performance, reliability, and excellent build quality. Technical data Manufacturer: Grundfos Model: CRN5-11 A-P-A-E-HQQE Motor power: 2.2 kW Frequency: 50 Hz Rotational speed: 2899 rpm Capacity: 5.8 m³/h Head: up to 56.5 m (max 76 m) Maximum pressure: 25 bar Maximum temperature: 120°C Bwjdsyubcnspfx Ak Eel The pump is made of stainless steel, suitable for use in water installations, industrial systems, pressure systems, process installations, and water treatment systems. Condition: new, never used.

Condition: excellent (used), For sale: professional tool holder from the renowned brand WNT Germany – model B40 ER16M A=100. The holder is equipped with a Centro-P Germany HPC16MS-DI precision collet, ensuring maximum accuracy and clamping stability. The set also includes a VHM drill, making it ready for immediate use on a CNC machine. Condition: very good, the holder is fully functional, no play, with normal signs of use. Premium-class equipment – ideal for professional machining centers where precision and reliability are crucial. Bodpsw Rr A Dofx Ak Eowl

Condition: new, For sale: Professional power controller (thyristor-based) Advanced Energy Thyro-A series. The device is NEW – never used (warehouse stock). High-end industrial equipment designed for advanced production installations. 🔧 Technical specifications: Manufacturer: Advanced Energy Model: Thyro-A 3A 400-350 HF RL3 Voltage: 400 V Current: 350 A Output: Relay Out 4A / 250V Type: thyristor power controller (SCR) ⚙️ Applications: industrial furnaces Bedpfxsyw T Ips Ak Eewl heating systems industrial automation power control in production lines 📦 Included in the set: 3x Thyro-A modules industrial enclosure / heat sink cooling fan full set as shown in photos ✅ Condition: NEW – unused May show minimal signs of storage. Fully functional.

Condition: excellent (used), functionality: fully functional, input voltage: 230 V, input frequency: 50 Hz, DGUV certified until: 05/2027, type of input current: AC, Apple Processing Machine Feuma ASETM Peeling, Coring, Segmenting for fruit diameter approx. 30-85 mm Output approx. 70 - 100 kg/h Only with us DGUV V3 safety tested Connection: 230V, 580 Watt Bsdpfx Akey H Utre Eswl Dimensions approx.: 320 x 780 x 400 mm (W x D x H) Used machine Visit our large machinery warehouse!

Condition: like new (used), Year of construction: 2008, amount 1 STK Bwsdpfx Aoxgvzzek Ejl

Condition: excellent (used), functionality: fully functional, Year of construction: 2014, operating hours: 8,650 h, control type: CNC control, laser hours: 8,650 h, laser power: 2,000 W, AMADA CNC Fiber Laser LCG-3015 AJ 2 kW Fiber skid table CT no.: 84561000 / Japan / no preferential origin AMNC Multi Media controller 2000 watt laser power AJ fiber laser Principle: flying optic 3-axis direct drive (X/Y/Z) oil shot function Including sensor cutting head Including lens quick-change system Including cutting lens 150, 190, 190 AX mm Including NC gas control Including NC focus control Including clean cut, high-pressure cutting Including aluminum cut function Including air purge system Including safety according to CE Including shuttle table PCLCG3015 Year of manufacture 04/2014 Bsdpfx Akjycf N Io Ejwl

Condition: used, mileage: 127,570 km, power: 70 kW (95.17 HP), first registration: 12/2010, fuel type: diesel, empty load weight: 2,550 kg, maximum load weight: 950 kg, overall weight: 3,500 kg, axle configuration: 4x2, wheelbase: 4,325 mm, fuel: diesel, color: yellow, driver cabin: other, gearing type: automatic, emission class: euro5, suspension: other, number of seats: 2, total length: 7,057 mm, loading space length: 4,380 mm, loading space width: 2,000 mm, loading space height: 2,000 mm, Year of construction: 2010, construction height: 2,690 mm, Equipment: ABS, airbag, central locking, immobilizer system, onboard computer, traction control, The used 2010 Mercedes-Benz Sprinter 310 CDI Maxi offers robust performance and versatility for your transport needs. Equipped with a 2,143 cc 4-cylinder diesel engine, 70 kW (95 hp) output, and Euro 5 emissions rating, this Sprinter is both efficient and environmentally friendly. The automatic rear-wheel drive ensures comfortable handling. The vehicle comes in a striking yellow finish and features practical equipment such as full-length shelving, cameras for improved visibility, and a walk-in box body. With dimensions of 7,057 mm in length, 2,100 mm in width, and 2,694 mm in height, the Sprinter provides ample cargo space for a variety of requirements. The wheelbase measures 4,325 mm, and the permitted gross vehicle weight is 3,500 kg. With a mileage of 127,570 km and just one previous owner, the Sprinter is in used but well-maintained condition. It is configured for two seats, and the green emissions sticker highlights its suitability for city centres. Optional registration and delivery service within Germany is available for an additional fee. Viewing is possible without prior appointment. Sale to commercial customers only (agriculture, freelancers, small and large businesses) or for export. Subject to errors and prior sale. Bjdpfx Asx Nznnok Eswl

Condition: used, mileage: 106,189 km, power: 70 kW (95.17 HP), first registration: 12/2010, fuel type: diesel, empty load weight: 2,550 kg, maximum load weight: 950 kg, overall weight: 3,500 kg, axle configuration: 4x2, wheelbase: 4,325 mm, fuel: diesel, color: yellow, driver cabin: other, gearing type: automatic, emission class: euro5, suspension: other, number of seats: 2, total length: 7,057 mm, loading space length: 4,380 mm, loading space width: 2,000 mm, loading space height: 2,000 mm, Year of construction: 2010, construction height: 2,690 mm, Equipment: ABS, airbag, central locking, electronic stability program (ESP), immobilizer system, onboard computer, traction control, Drives up to 4th gear. The Mercedes-Benz Sprinter 310 CDI Maxi Euro 5 box van was first registered on 17/12/2010 and has a mileage of 106,189 km. This transporter is powered by a 2,143 cc diesel engine producing 70 kW (95 hp), features an automatic transmission, and rear-wheel drive. As a Euro 5 emission class vehicle, it is equipped with a green emissions sticker (category 4), making it suitable for use in most low emission zones. Bodpfx Akotfakxs Eewl The Sprinter offers a spacious loading area, with an overall length of 7,057 mm and a wheelbase of 4,325 mm. The walk-through box body and integrated shelving make this vehicle ideal for transport and logistics applications. Safety features such as the integrated camera assist with maneuvering and daily operation. The permissible gross vehicle weight is 3,500 kg. The Sprinter is in well-maintained condition, has had one previous owner, and is classified as a used vehicle. The main inspection is valid until January 2025. Viewings are possible at any time in Rohrbach without prior appointment. The seller also provides a registration service and can deliver within Germany for an additional fee. More Information Sale to traders only (agriculture, freelancers, small and large businesses) or export. Subject to prior sale and errors excepted.

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2023, functionality: fully functional, year of last overhaul: 2026, We are offering this very well-maintained TRUMPF TruLaser Weld 1000 laser welding machine, year of manufacture 2023, with low operating hours. The machine has been serviced annually by TRUMPF, with the most recent service carried out in April 2026. The machine is powered on and fully equipped with two rotary axes. Programming is performed directly on the machine, without additional software required. The machine is still in production. Available for delivery in August 2026. Bodpey I Ak Ujfx Ak Ejwl Manufacturer: TRUMPF Model: TruLaser Weld 1000 Year of manufacture: 2023 If you have any questions or need further information, please feel free to send us a message or give us a call.

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2014, functionality: fully functional, Laser Moduls for Heidelberg Suprasetter, second hand, tested GEN II, class 160 mW, 64 diodes, 2.540 dpi with various exposing hours Bsdpsd Aq U Usfx Ak Ejwl prices and further information on request

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2010, "URBAN" welding and cleaning line, consisting of Urban welding machine type AKS 6610/4-30/45 with Urban corner cleat machine type SV 530/B and Urban transport unit type TBA 30/48-HQ. Bwodjy Iy Rxspfx Ak Esl

Condition: good (used), functionality: fully functional, Year of construction: 2008, operating hours: 39,620 h, machine/vehicle number: D0004 B0405, control type: CNC control, laser power: 3,200 W, Equipment: dust extraction, For sale: TruFlow 3200 laser cutter with rotary axis or tube cutting capability. The machine is well maintained and in good condition. Bjdpfxjy Iy Hme Ak Eswl

Condition: like new (used), Packaging line for shrink bags The line consists of: Vacuum packaging machine MULTIVAC C 700 Chamber dimensions (LxWxH): 1060x440x200 mm Machine dimensions (LxWxH): 1270x850x1150 mm Seal bar length: 1 x 1060 mm Machine cycle: 15-40 sec. Voltage: 400 V-3-50 Hz Power: 7.0 kW; 22 A HENKELMAN DIPTANK 200 A Automatic platform with conveyor belt Digital temperature control Stainless steel housing Maximum loading capacity: 30 kg Immersion depth: 200 mm Immersion time: 3-5 seconds (adjustable) Cycle time: 22 seconds Compressed air consumption: 50 l/min at 6 bar Automatic water supply control Water drainage Automatic water level control Bodpfxoy Iv Iao Ak Ejwl Integrated scale protection Timer for preheating water

Condition: excellent (used), functionality: fully functional, Edge banding milling machine with Holz Her 3-roller feed unit, 30 mm spindle, 50 mm milling width. Machine dimensions: 1000 x 1000 x 1300 mm, weight: 250 kg, in good condition, fully functional. Shipping available at additional cost. Bedpovkgdrsfx Ak Eewl

Condition: new, empty load weight: 3,210 kg, maximum load weight: 8,690 kg, overall weight: 11,900 kg, axle configuration: 2 axles, loading space length: 6,000 mm, loading space width: 2,000 mm, suspension: other, tire size: 235 / 75 R 17,5, color: other, gearing type: other, front tire size: 235 / 75 R 17,5, rear tire size: 235 / 75 R 17,5, driver cabin: other, emission class: none, fuel: biodiesel, Equipment: ABS, compressed air brake, Loading height loaded: 590 mm, reinforced steel checker plate floor, 2 x ramps (2,600 mm long x 900 mm wide), 10 lashing eyes (2 t) on the outer frame, 8 lashing boxes (5 t) in the corners, geared support winch with load and fast gear, front, 2 times folding supports, rear, , Chassis and body hot-dip galvanized, , Surcharge for support frame for cutter belt 600 ¤, Also with mechanical ramps in stock! , -- Misprints, errors and changes excepted, Sample pictures --, More data under: !, More Details: ! Bedpfx Aey Hhxbek Eowl

Condition: good (used), Schmedt PräLeg HHS 1805 Case in machine This machine is in very good condition. Manufactured by Schmedt, Germany. The machine suspends book blocks into pre-cut hardcovers. Two gluers with smooth glue thickness adjustment. The machine comes with full documentation and a CE certificate. Format: Block height: 80–340 mm Block width: 110–450 mm Block thickness: 2–80 mm Bedpfx Asy Hglgsk Eswl Capacity: approximately 200–300 pcs/h Power supply: 230V + compressed air. Weight: 300 kg

Condition: new, empty load weight: 2,830 kg, maximum load weight: 9,070 kg, overall weight: 11,900 kg, axle configuration: 2 axles, loading space length: 6,000 mm, loading space width: 2,000 mm, suspension: steel, tire size: 235 / 75 R 17,5, wheelbase: 990 mm, color: other, gearing type: other, front tire size: 235 / 75 R 17,5, rear tire size: 235 / 75 R 17,5, driver cabin: other, emission class: none, fuel: biodiesel, Equipment: ABS, compressed air brake, Loading height loaded: 590 mm, reinforced steel checker plate floor, 2 x ramps (2,550 mm long x 900 mm wide), 8 lashing eyes (2 t) on the outer frame, 4 lashing boxes (5 t) in the corners, geared support winch with load and fast gear, front, 2 times folding supports, rear, , chassis and body hot-dip galvanized, also available with hydraulic ramps! , Surcharge for support frame for milling conveyor 600 ¤, , -- Misprints, errors and changes excepted, Sample pictures --, More data under: !, More Details: ! Bwedpfx Aey Hfvdjk Eol

Condition: excellent (used), power: 55 kW (74.78 HP), color: other, Year of construction: 2024, operating hours: 1,192 h, Equipment: air conditioning, Year of manufacture: 2024 Empty weight: 4.898 kg Chassis type: rigid Steering: skid steer Make of engine: Bobcat Quick coupler system: Yes CE mark: yes Technical condition: very good Visual appearance: very good Bwedpfxjyl Iulj Ak Eel = Additional options and accessories = - Beacon(s) - Blower - High Flow - Hydraulic quick coupler - Radio Bluetooth - Rubber tracks - Two Speed - Work lamp(s) = Remarks = Drivetrain Internship / Tier: Stage V / Tier IV final General Country of production: USA Condition CE type: CE Used Bobcat T76 with NEW HD Grader 96 / 244 cm with Laser guidance system, Bobcat equipped with the following options: Hydraulic quick coupler, Two speed, large display, Air-suspended seat, Air conditioning Rear view camera, Highflow The grader is NEW and equipped with masts and two Bobcat LR410 laser receivers. Other attachments are available upon request.

Condition: excellent (used), functionality: fully functional, Year of construction: 2016, operating hours: 41,124 h, control type: CNC control, degree of automation: automatic, controller manufacturer: Siemens, laser type: CO₂ laser, laser source manufacturer: Rofin, laser source model: DC035, laser hours: 12,753 h, laser power: 3,500 W, pipe diameter (max.): 240 mm, pipe length (max.): 12,500 mm, workpiece weight (max.): 400 kg, input voltage: 400 V, input frequency: 50 Hz, type of input current: three-phase, type of cooling: water, Equipment: CE marking, cooling unit, dust extraction, emergency stop, fume extraction, safety light barrier, 🔷 2016 BLM Adige LT8.10 CNC Tube Laser – 3.5kW CO₂ | 3D Tilt Head | 12.5m Load | Siemens Control Used 2016 BLM LT8.10 CNC tube laser for sale. 3.5kW CO2, Siemens control, 3D cutting head, 12.5m loader. Fully equipped with chiller & extraction. Bjdpfey Ir Eujx Ak Eewl 💡 High Performance 3D Tube Laser Cutting System – Fully Automated 2016 BLM Adige LT8.10 CNC Tube Laser, a premium 3D tube laser cutting machine designed for high precision, flexibility, and productivity across a wide range of tube and profile cutting applications. The LT8.10 is one of the most versatile machines in its class, capable of processing round, square, rectangular, and structural profiles (I-beams, channels, etc.) with high accuracy and repeatability. 🔧 Machine Details Manufacturer: BLM Group (Adige) Model: LT8.10 Year: 11/2016 Type: CNC Tube Laser Cutting Machine Laser Type: CO₂ Laser Source: Rofin DC035 (3.5 kW) Control: Siemens CNC ⚙️ Key Features 3D Laser Cutting Head with Tilt Capability (±45°) High precision angular / bevel cutting Fully automatic tube processing Designed for high productivity and flexibility Automatic parameter adjustments for optimal cutting performance Capable of cutting complex geometries and joints 📏 Tube & Profile Capacity Round Tube Diameter: Ø12 – 240 mm Square Tube: up to 200 x 200 mm Max Bar Length: 12,500 mm (12.5m infeed) Unloading Length: 8,500 mm Max Linear Weight: 40 kg/m Max Total Bar Weight: 400 kg ✔ Processes: Round, square & rectangular tube Flat oval & special profiles Structural sections (I-beam, U-channel, angle, etc.) ⚡ Laser & Cutting Capabilities Laser Power: 3.5 kW CO₂ (Rofin DC035) 3D Bevel Cutting: Yes (tilting head) Automatic Focus & Adjustment Systems High quality edge finish Ideal for weld prep & complex fabrication work 🧠 CNC & Software Siemens CNC Control System User-friendly interface Full program control and automation High precision motion control for complex cutting operations 🔄 Loading & Handling System Automatic Tube Loading System Infeed Length: 12.5 metres Outfeed Length: 8.5 metres Automatic tube positioning & rotation Multi-position unloading capability ❄️ Supporting Equipment Included Chiller: Cosmotec WLAD842207ZAS0 Extraction Unit: Donaldson Torit DCE 2DFP4-SPRK Full integrated system ready for production 🧱 Machine Overview The LT8.10 is designed to deliver high precision without compromising productivity, making it ideal for both high-volume production and complex custom fabrication. Its rigid structure, automatic handling systems, and 3D cutting capability make it a top-tier solution for: Steel fabrication Structural engineering Tube processing companies Automotive & industrial manufacturing 💰 Why This Machine? Proven BLM Group reliability High-end 3D tube laser capability Handles large diameter tubes (up to 240 mm) Fully automated system → low labour cost Complete package with chiller & extraction Excellent value compared to new Notes: *Specifications are given in good faith but not guaranteed*