Used Schneider Sk 2/6 for sale (96,764)

Condition: ready for operation (used), GMN TSEV 100sau x 315-6009 spindle, serial number: R335461 + Perske KNA 71.20-2 D motor Y 400-400V~ 3200-4850 rpm 55-83.3 Hz serial number: 977121 / 16000008GC HF spindle TSE 100du x 315 4.4kW 5000rpm oil EX32, used, good condition, 100% functional, scope of delivery as per photos. ATTENTION: Please enquire separately for costs of packing and shipping! Bedpfsx Duaqex Afmewp

Condition: new, GMN HSP150 x 381 9kW 800Hz 24000rpm 400V - HSK C-6 HF spindle / high-frequency spindle SN: 367488, unused in opened original packaging, 100% functional, scope of delivery as per photos. ATTENTION: Please enquire separately for costs of packaging and shipping! Bwsdpfx Aoy Nqaajfmep

Condition: ready for operation (used), Ebmpapst BC I63.55 SK 5500 VDC 00002 + BCI63.55 9316355023 VDC 00046, used, as good as new, 100% functional, scope of delivery as per photos Bwedpfxeu T Ut Uj Afmjp

Condition: ready for operation (used), Ebmpapst BCI 63.55 SK 550 00760 V 00005 + BCI63.55 9316355023 VDC 00032, used, as good as new, 100% functional, scope of delivery as per photos Bwsdpfju T Uurox Afmep

Condition: ready for operation (used), Ebmpapst BCI 63.55 SK 550 00760 V 00009 + BCI63.55 9316355023 VDC 00001, used, as good as new, 100% functional, scope of delivery as per photos Bwjdpfx Aju T Uu Sefmjp

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2020, Offered here is a complete compressed air system with the following components: 1x screw compressor Kaeser SK 22 (Year 2020) 1x screw compressor Kaeser SK 19 (Year 1995) 1x refrigerated dryer Kaeser TB 26 (Year 2016) 1x air receiver Kaeser 500 l (Year 1986) The system and individual components are in very good condition. Location: ex customer site (Saarland) Bsdpfx Afsy Ndagsmswp - available at short notice by arrangement -

Condition: used, mileage: 667,941 km, power: 294 kW (399.73 HP), first registration: 02/2008, fuel type: diesel, overall weight: 26,000 kg, axle configuration: 3 axles, next inspection (TÜV): 04/2026, color: blue, gearing type: automatic, emission class: euro4, Equipment: ABS, air conditioning, Stock no. 5693 MAN TGA 26.400 with Ellermann Hooklift Type HL 26.70 SK for container lengths from 4.50m to 7.00m / 6x2 / Forced steering / Lift axle / TÜV valid until 04/2026! --- * Manufacturer: MAN Bedpfxozc T Npo Afmjwp * Model: TGA 26.400 - Hooklift * First registration: 02/2008 * Mileage: approx. 667,941 km * Transmission: Automatic * Gross vehicle weight: 26,000 kg * Curb weight (as per registration): 11,840 kg * Suspension: leaf spring at the front, air suspension at the rear * Tyres: 1st axle 385/65 R 22.5, 2nd + 3rd axle 315/80 R 22.5 approx. 50% * Axles: 6x2 / 3rd axle liftable and with forced steering * Wheelbase: 4.80 m * Cab: Short-haul cab / 2 seats * Colour: Cab blue, chassis and hooklift black * Power: 400 HP / Euro 4 / L-Package * TÜV (roadworthiness certificate): 04/2026 * ABS + ASR * Ellermann hooklift type HL 26.70 SK, year 2008, for container lengths from 4.50m to 7.00m * Hydraulic container lock * Mechanically extendable underrun protection * Work lights at the rear of the cab * LED reversing lights * 40 mm towing hitch with air and electrical connections * Aluminium toolbox (right side) * Open toolbox (left side) * Approx. 395 litre steel diesel tank (right side) * Single mudguards for 2nd & 3rd axles * Rotating beacons * Roof spoiler * Cab rear wall with window * Differential lock * Engine brake * Cruise control * Air conditioning * Roof hatch * MAN radio * Electric windows and mirrors * Heated mirrors German vehicle! German papers! Notice regarding possible errors in the advertisement: Despite careful preparation of this advertisement, mistakes or errors in the details provided may occasionally occur. We do not accept any liability for errors, changes, or prior sale. All information is provided without guarantee. Please contact us to verify details or if you have further questions.

Condition: used, mileage: 43,289 km, power: 397 kW (539.77 HP), first registration: 06/2024, fuel type: diesel, overall weight: 26,000 kg, axle configuration: 3 axles, next inspection (TÜV): 06/2027, gearing type: automatic, emission class: euro6, Equipment: ABS, air conditioning, electronic stability program (ESP), navigation system, parking heater, Standard warranty of 2 years or up to 100,000 km + powertrain warranty up to the 4th year of operation, max. 200,000 km. Fifth wheel height: 1.30 m. EBS, full brake assist, EasyStart, LED lighting, 2 rotating beacons on the cab roof, pre-wiring for 2 cameras, ASR, emergency brake assist EBA, lane departure warning LDW, MAN Attention Guard, retarder, MAN infotainment system Professional Navigation 12.3 inch, MAN sound system Advanced with subwoofer. Fifth wheel coupling Jost JSK 38C 2 inch, tilting hydraulics with 2-circuit high and low pressure. Heavy-duty coupling 2''. Bwedpfozc A A Eex Afmop

Condition: used, mileage: 306,921 km, power: 260 kW (353.50 HP), first registration: 05/1989, fuel type: diesel, overall weight: 24,000 kg, axle configuration: 3 axles, next inspection (TÜV): 05/2025, color: red, gearing type: mechanical, total width: 2,500 mm, total height: 3,250 mm, Equipment: ABS, Mercedes-Benz SK 2635 - Top condition - German papers - 1st hand - Meiller roll-off body - Mounting plate - ABS - 6x4 Bwodpfx Afevhuv Demep - Leaf/leaf sprung - TÜV due : 05.2025 - Tires front axle : 315/80 R22,5 - Tires rear axle : 315/80 R22,5 Subject to errors and prior sale . Internal vehicle number : 10251

Condition: used, mileage: 779,385 km, power: 300 kW (407.89 HP), first registration: 04/2006, fuel type: diesel, overall weight: 26,000 kg, axle configuration: 3 axles, next inspection (TÜV): 09/2026, color: blue, gearing type: mechanical, emission class: euro4, total width: 2,550 mm, total height: 3,800 mm, Equipment: ABS, air conditioning, parking heater, soot filter, ! More pictures will be added shortly ! Bedpfx Asyygx Tjfmewp * MB CD radio * Bluetooth * Car phone * Air conditioning * Auxiliary heater * Multifunction steering wheel * 2 seats ----* Sun visor * Rotating beacon * Storage boxes ----* Rear axle differential locks * Leaf/air suspension * Hill-start assist * Ringfeder towing jaw coupling * Hydraulic connections for trailer operation (controllable from the cab) ----MEILLER three-way tipper body * Drop sides HIAB XS 377 E-6 HiPro loader crane* Radio control with remote * 6 extensions * 4 hydraulic outriggers * Articulated boom * Lifting capacity at 16m: = 1480 kg * Lifting capacity at 3.2m: = 9200 kg ----* Tire size front axle: 385/65R22.5 * Tire size rear axle: 315/70R22.5 * Fuel tank: 380 liters * Technical total weight: 26,000 kg * Own weight: 17,560 kg * Permissible towing capacity: 24,000 kg * Overall length: 8,500 mm * Wheelbase: 3,900 mm * General inspection due: 03/2026 ----Vehicle number: 11990----Subject to errors and prior sale----Advertising and various lettering have been digitally removed.-----We are happy to assist you with all formalities involved in the purchase of a vehicle. Please let us know your wishes and suggestions and we will take care of them. Among other services, we can offer you the following for an additional charge:----Trade-in of your old vehicle, TÜV/general inspection, complete export handling, financing arrangements, application for export license plates, vehicle transfers, vehicle registration, recoveries and vehicle transports----YOUR VTS TEAM

Condition: used, mileage: 849,825 km, power: 280 kW (380.69 HP), first registration: 08/1996, fuel type: diesel, overall weight: 26,500 kg, axle configuration: 3 axles, color: red, gearing type: semi-automatic, emission class: euro2, Excellent condition!! Top quality!!! Mercedes-Benz SK 2638 6x2, steered lift axle, leaf/air suspension. * CB radio * CD radio * Sun visor * Steered/lift axle Bodpovhv Hdefx Afmswp * Engine brake * Leaf/air suspension * Tires: 315/80R22.5 front - 295/65R22.5 & 315/80R22.5 rear * Unladen weight: 8220 kg * Payload: 18280 kg * Fuel tank: 600 liters Errors and prior sale excepted. Vehicle number: 5682

Condition: used, overall weight: 34,000 kg, axle configuration: 3 axles, first registration: 04/1994, * 6 chambers * Chamber 1: 7,500 liters * Chamber 2: 7,500 liters * Chamber 3: 6,000 liters * Chamber 4: 4,000 liters * Chamber 5: 7,500 liters * Chamber 6: 7,500 liters * Tare weight: 6,350 kg * SAF axles * Drum brakes * Aluminum rims -----Internal vehicle number: 9627 Bwedpfx Afotzumromep WhatsApp support available! If you have any questions about the vehicle or would like more information, please feel free to contact us conveniently via WhatsApp. WhatsApp WhatsApp ----Errors and prior sale excepted.

Condition: used, mileage: 41,835 km, power: 320 kW (435.08 HP), first registration: 08/1996, fuel type: diesel, overall weight: 26,000 kg, axle configuration: 3 axles, next inspection (TÜV): 08/2025, color: beige, gearing type: mechanical, * Original mileage: 41,835 km * BDF compatible * Lift axle * Manual transmission * 8 cylinders * Cruise control * Heated seats Bjdoxycmqspfx Afmjwp * ASR (Anti-Slip Regulation) * Toolboxes -----Internal vehicle number: 11545----Errors and prior sale excepted

Condition: used, mileage: 629,652 km, power: 294 kW (399.73 HP), first registration: 06/2009, fuel type: diesel, overall weight: 22,050 kg, axle configuration: 3 axles, brakes: retarder, color: white, gearing type: automatic, emission class: euro5, total width: 2,550 mm, total height: 3,300 mm, Equipment: air conditioning, crane, Tel.: Call us (Contact · Phone · Mobile · WhatsApp) * Man TGS 24.400 6x2/2 BLS * Tipper with crane * 2nd axle with lift function * Front suspension: leaf springs * Rear suspension: air suspension * Automatic transmission * Automatic climate control * VIN: WMA24SZZ99W135680 * Engine type: D26LF26 * Displacement: 10518 cc * Power: 294 kW * Euro 5 * Unladen weight: 11240 kg * Payload: 10735 kg * Gross vehicle weight: 22050 kg * Wheelbase: 2800 / 1100 mm * Vehicle length: 7700 mm * Vehicle width: 2550 mm * Vehicle height: 3300 mm Bwsdpelgt Tbjfx Afmsp * Crane: 10500 A * 2 hydraulic outriggers * Elevated platform * Serial No.: 9036184 * Year of manufacture: 1990 * Valid TÜV inspection until: * Price (net) * All information is subject to change without notice.

Condition: used, mileage: 461,937 km, power: 338 kW (459.55 HP), first registration: 03/2018, fuel type: diesel, overall weight: 18,000 kg, axle configuration: 2 axles, next inspection (TÜV): 02/2027, brakes: retarder, color: blue, gearing type: automatic, emission class: euro6, Equipment: air conditioning, MAN TGS 18.460 BL 4X2 2-circuit tipping hydraulics * Good condition * Leaf/air suspension * EURO 6 * Air conditioning * Parking heater * Automatic transmission * 2-circuit tipping hydraulics * Light alloy wheels * Differential lock * Cruise control * Emergency brake assistant * Lane departure warning * Hill start assist * Roof hatch * Refrigerator * 1 bed * Central locking Bwodpfx Afsy Nhdpsmjp * Daytime running lights * Warning beacons Subject to prior sale and errors excepted! Sale exclusively according to our General Terms and Conditions. Important notice – Important information: Despite careful verification of all details in our offer, errors may occur. Some of these may be caused by transmission errors within the systems of various platform providers. Therefore, we would like to point out that all information is without guarantee and does not constitute a legal claim. Legal notice: This sales advertisement does not constitute an offer within the meaning of §145 BGB. Rather, it provides information for contract initiation. The information provided here is without guarantee and does not represent warranted characteristics.

Condition: new, maximum load weight: 14,100 kg, overall weight: 18,000 kg, axle configuration: 2 axles, loading space length: 6,400 mm, total width: 2,550 mm, total height: 1,146 mm, Year of construction: 2026, Equipment: ABS, rapid+ 2-axle short timber trailer A2G-LZ64 SIERRA * Only 3,900 kg unladen weight * Air suspension * 2 single axles, manufacturer SAF, 12 t with drum brakes, including safety cables * Tires 275/70 R 22.5 on steel rims * Air tank made of aluminum * EBS braking system * Full LED lighting * 4x LED work lights (1,800 lumens) * 1x grapple bracket * Paint finish: frame/bolster color graphite black, stake color carmine red * Drawbar type GNZ 27, drawbar eye Ø 40 mm + standing area on drawbar * Lateral underrun protection according to ECE?R 73 * For the transport of 3 x 2m / 2 x 3m / 1 x 4m / 1 x 5m / 1 x 6m timber * 4x DOLL MAMMUT bolsters + stakes Plus TÜV inspection. Ex works Mildenau. All prices plus registration and legally applicable value-added tax. Subject to change and prior sale. Bwodpfjhnakvox Afmop Further information on request. Specifications subject to change without notice. Illustrations may differ from the original. Contact: Niclas Lott Tel.:

Condition: new, maximum load weight: 14,560 kg, overall weight: 18,000 kg, axle configuration: 2 axles, loading space length: 6,400 mm, total width: 2,550 mm, total height: 1,146 mm, Year of construction: 2025, Equipment: ABS, rapid+ 2-axle short timber trailer A2G-LZ64 ALPHA * Only 3,440 kg unladen weight * Air suspension * 2 single axles, manufacturer SAF, 12 t with disc brakes, including safety chains * Tires 275/70 R 22.5 on high-gloss aluminum rims * Air reservoir made of aluminum * EBS braking system * Full LED lighting * 4x LED work lights (1,800 lumens) * 1x grapple bracket * Paint finish: frame/bolster color graphite black * Drawbar type GNZ 27, drawbar eye Ø 40 mm + support plate on drawbar * Lateral underrun protection according to ECE?R 73 * For the transport of 3 x 2m / 2 x 3m / 1 x 4m / 1 x 5m / 1 x 6m timber * ExTe D7 bolster + tapered stakes Bwjdpjhnakyjfx Afmjp Ex works Mildenau. Subject to change and prior sale. Further information available upon request. Specifications are subject to change without notice. Illustrations may differ from the original. Contact: Niclas Lott Tel.:

Condition: used, maximum load weight: 33,060 kg, overall weight: 40,000 kg, axle configuration: 3 axles, first registration: 03/2012, next inspection (TÜV): 07/2028, loading space volume: 60 m³, Year of construction: 2012, Internal vehicle number: G400107 Available immediately at our yard in Kaufungen. More information at: * Golec Nutzfahrzeuge GmbH (German, English, Bulgarian, Russian) * Viktoria Sologubova (Polish, Russian, Ukrainian, English) Financing example: * Internal number: Silo * Purchase price: 24,900.00 € * Down payment: 10% * Term: 60 months * Monthly installment: 389.02 € Residual value: 3,380.00 € If you are interested in this offer or would like to customize it to your needs, please contact us (Mr. Enchev). We look forward to your call. Errors and omissions excepted. We would be happy to accept your used vehicle as a trade-in. Financing is available directly with us. GOLEC NUTZFAHRZEUGE GMBH Bwedoy Rb Azepfx Afmsp We speak: German, English, Spanish, Polish, Ukrainian, Russian, Bulgarian.

Condition: used, mileage: 632,779 km, power: 280 kW (380.69 HP), first registration: 09/1996, fuel type: diesel, empty load weight: 9,000 kg, maximum load weight: 17,000 kg, overall weight: 26,000 kg, axle configuration: 6x4, wheelbase: 3,600 mm, brakes: retarder, color: white, driver cabin: day cab, gearing type: mechanical, emission class: euro2, suspension: steel, number of seats: 2, Equipment: ABS, additional headlights, cabin, differential lock, low noise, power assisted steering, seat heater, Vehicle location: Bovenden, Lg. house, 1x comfort seat, seat heating, electric mirror, heated mirror, electric window right, sun visor, air horn, switch 16, ABS (anti-lock braking system), retarder, constant throttle, power take-off, central lubrication system, differential lock, driving lamp, rotating beacon, storage box, leaf suspension, U-protection, environmental badge red Wheelbase: 3600 mm 2x 13t axles, rear axle H7 I=4.03, ABS, brake pad wear indicator, differential lock rear axle, Voith secondary retarder R115 high drive, headlight cleaning system, additional sound insulation, additional heat insulation, flame system, automatic daytime running lights, central lubrication system, flexible diagnostic system (FDS), engine brake with constant throttle, double NA MB 124-11b/1c flange+MPA, M speed. VIN: WDB6581491K144337! EPS gearshift with clutch pedal! ACCESSORY INFORMATION WITHOUT WARRANTY, subject to alterations, prior sale and errors excepted! Bwsdpfevhidcsx Afmep - .

Condition: used, mileage: 89,000 km, power: 230 kW (312.71 HP), first registration: 12/1995, fuel type: diesel, empty load weight: 11,350 kg, maximum load weight: 14,650 kg, overall weight: 26,000 kg, axle configuration: 6x4, wheelbase: 4,100 mm, color: yellow, driver cabin: day cab, gearing type: automatic, emission class: euro1, suspension: steel, number of seats: 2, Equipment: ABS, additional headlights, cabin, differential lock, power assisted steering, seat heater, Vehicle location: Bovenden, mtl. house, 1x comfort seat, seat heating, rear window, e-window right, compressed air horn, ABS (anti-lock braking system), power take-off, exhaust raised, automatic, central lubrication system, differential lock, driving lights, work lights, rotating beacon, leaf suspension, air+light connections for trailer hitch, winter service equipment, aluminum side guards Wheelbase: 4100 mm Body: Hiab Multilift roll-off system with articulated arm for container 5.5 m ABS, brake pad wear indicator, front springs stronger level I, rear axle 13 t crown wheel 300, 9 t front axle, differential lock rear axle, reinforced steering, additional sound insulation, flame system, central lubrication system, Flexible Diagnostic System (FDS), rear engine output for hydraulic pump. All information without guarantee as the vehicle is currently being delivered! ACCESSORY INFORMATION WITHOUT WARRANTY, subject to alterations, prior sale and errors excepted! - . Bwedpfsvhmwgex Afmsp

Condition: used, mileage: 415,093 km, power: 269 kW (365.74 HP), first registration: 08/1990, fuel type: diesel, empty load weight: 11,500 kg, maximum load weight: 14,500 kg, overall weight: 26,000 kg, axle configuration: 6x4, wheelbase: 4,500 mm, brakes: engine braking, color: grey, driver cabin: day cab, gearing type: mechanical, emission class: none, suspension: steel, number of seats: 2, Equipment: cabin, differential lock, hydraulics, power assisted steering, trailer coupling, Vehicle location: Bovenden, steel superstructure, box body, 1 air-suspension seat, rear window, 16-speed gearbox, constant throttle, auxiliary drive, differential lock, leaf spring suspension, trailer hitch (air, light, hydraulic), underride guard, drop-side flaps. Bodpozcgd Hsfx Afmewp Wheelbase: 4500 mm, V8 engine, auxiliary drive NA 4/124-10C. ACCESSORY INFORMATION WITHOUT GUARANTEE, subject to changes, prior sale, and errors!

Condition: used, mileage: 90,750 km, power: 250 kW (339.91 HP), first registration: 06/1996, fuel type: diesel, empty load weight: 9,000 kg, maximum load weight: 17,000 kg, overall weight: 26,000 kg, tire size: 12R22.5, axle configuration: 6x4, wheelbase: 3,600 mm, brakes: engine braking, color: red, driver cabin: day cab, gearing type: mechanical, emission class: euro2, suspension: steel, number of seats: 2, Equipment: ABS, cabin, differential lock, low noise, power assisted steering, seat heater, traction control, Vehicle location: Bovenden, mtl. house, 1x comfort seat, seat heating, electric mirror, switch 16, ABS (anti-lock braking system), traction control (ASR), constant throttle, auxiliary drive, central lubrication system, differential lock, leaf suspension, U-protection, roof hatch, environmental badge red Bwedpfevhh Utox Afmsp Wheelbase: 3600 mm ABS and ASR, rear axle stabilizer, brake pad wear indicator, engine brake with constant throttle, central lubrication system, Flexible Diagnostic System (FDS), tank capacity: 300l. ACCESSORY INFORMATION WITHOUT WARRANTY, subject to alterations, prior sale and errors excepted! - .

Condition: used, mileage: 471,240 km, power: 269 kW (365.74 HP), first registration: 08/1991, fuel type: diesel, empty load weight: 10,000 kg, maximum load weight: 12,000 kg, overall weight: 22,000 kg, tire size: 315/80R22.5, axle configuration: 6x2, wheelbase: 4,500 mm, brakes: engine braking, color: white, driver cabin: sleeper cab, gearing type: mechanical, suspension: steel-air, number of seats: 2, Equipment: cabin, differential lock, fog lights, power assisted steering, Vehicle location: Bovenden, mtl. house, sun visor, EPS, constant throttle, differential lock, fog lights, leaf-air suspension, air+light trailer hitch Wheelbase: 4500 mm Body: tarpaulin bows. ACCESSORIES WITHOUT WARRANTY, subject to alterations, prior sale and errors excepted! Bjdjvhlchepfx Afmswp - .

Condition: used, mileage: 126,000 km, power: 280 kW (380.69 HP), first registration: 01/1997, fuel type: diesel, empty load weight: 21,915 kg, maximum load weight: 4,085 kg, overall weight: 26,000 kg, tire size: 315/80R22.5, axle configuration: 6x6, wheelbase: 5,230 mm, brakes: retarder, color: yellow, driver cabin: day cab, gearing type: mechanical, emission class: euro2, suspension: steel, number of seats: 2, Equipment: ABS, additional headlights, all wheel drive, cabin, cable winch, crane, differential lock, power assisted steering, seat heater, Vehicle location: Bovenden, mtl. house, 1x comfort seat, seat heating, rear window, sun visor, EPS, switch 16, ABS (anti-lock braking system), retarder, auxiliary drive, exhaust raised, central lubrication system, differential lock, work lights, rotating beacon, storage box, cable winch, leaf suspension, lateral aluminum driving protection, crane at rear, high seat, 4-point hydraulic support, 1x hydraulic extension Wheelbase: 5230 mm Body: Recovery vehicle with crane, 4-point support, lifting goggles and 2x cable winch, differential lock front and rear axle, ABS, Voith secondary retarder R115 high drive, rear springs stronger level I, additional sound insulation, reinforced clutch, brake pad wear indicator, automatic daytime running lights, radiator guard at the bottom, flame system, engine brake with constant throttle, central lubrication, FDS, 15.1 l engine! ACCESSORIES WITHOUT WARRANTY, subject to alterations, prior sale and errors excepted! - . Bjdpevhl Udsfx Afmswp

Condition: used, mileage: 415,093 km, power: 269 kW (365.74 HP), first registration: 08/1990, fuel type: diesel, empty load weight: 13,000 kg, maximum load weight: 13,000 kg, overall weight: 26,000 kg, axle configuration: 6x4, wheelbase: 4,500 mm, brakes: engine braking, color: grey, driver cabin: day cab, gearing type: mechanical, emission class: none, suspension: steel, number of seats: 2, loading space length: 4,800 mm, loading space width: 2,330 mm, loading space height: 850 mm, Equipment: cabin, crane, differential lock, hydraulics, power assisted steering, trailer coupling, Vehicle location: Bovenden, steel superstructure, toolbox, 1 air-suspension seat, rear window, 16-speed gearbox, constant throttle, auxiliary drive, differential lock, leaf spring suspension, trailer hitch (air, light, hydraulic), underbody protection, swing-out tailgates. Bedpfx Aezcgdmsfmowp Wheelbase: 4500 mm, Superstructure: Dautel interchangeable system with a three-sided tilting body. Roll-off system Multilift LV 317 Z, compatible with the interchangeable system for an additional charge of €4,900. Crane Hiab 122 ES-3 HIDUO, year of manufacture 2004, with remote control, for an additional charge of €14,900. Engine: V8, auxiliary drive NA 4/124-10C. ACCESSORY INFORMATION WITHOUT GUARANTEE, subject to change, prior sale and errors excepted!