Used Hartford Mvp-8A for sale (1,266)

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2004, travel distance X-axis: 860 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 530 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 630 mm, controller manufacturer: FANUC, table load: 500 kg, overall weight: 6,600 kg, spindle speed (max.): 10,000 rpm, spindle motor power: 11,000 W, number of slots in tool magazine: 24, number of axes: 4, This 4-axis HARTFORD MVP-8A was manufactured in 2004. It features impressive travels of 860 mm in the X-axis, 530 mm in the Y-axis, and 630 mm in the Z-axis. The machine includes a robust table size of 1000 x 560 mm with a load capacity of 500 kg, and a maximum spindle speed of 10,000 rpm. If you are looking to get high-quality machining capabilities, consider the HARTFORD MVP-8A vertical machining centre we have for sale. Contact us for further details. • Distance table–spindle face: max. 705 mm • Table dimensions: 1000 × 560 mm • Rapid traverse (X/Y/Z): 24 / 24 / 24 m/min (linear guides) • Automatic tool changer (ATC): 24 positions, arm-type • Control system: Fanuc 21i (black and white display) + Hartrol AI100 Additional equipment • 4th axis rotary table Bljdpfezvbynjx Amren Technical Specification Taper Size SK 40

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2017, operating hours: 3,939 h, travel distance X-axis: 1,020 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 600 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 630 mm, controller manufacturer: FANUC, controller model: Fanuc 0i-MF / AI100, table load: 800 kg, overall weight: 6,800 kg, spindle speed (max.): 12,000 rpm, number of slots in tool magazine: 30, tool weight: 6,000 g, number of axes: 3, This 3-axis HARTFORD MVP-11 vertical machining centre was manufactured in 2017. It features an impressive X-axis travel of 1,020 mm, Y-axis travel of 600 mm, and Z-axis travel of 630 mm. The machine includes a robust worktable measuring 1,060 × 600 mm and a maximum table load of 800 kg. If you are looking to get high-quality machining capabilities, consider the HARTFORD MVP-11 machine we have for sale. Contact us for further details. Bjdezl S Ihepfx Amrjln • Country of manufacture: Taiwan • Worktable: • Table size: 1,060 × 600 mm • T-slots: 5 • T-slot spacing: 100 mm • Automatic tool changer (ATC): • Tool selection: Random • Max tool diameter: 75 mm • Max tool length: 300 mm • Electrical and utilities: • Power supply: 380 V, 3-phase, 50/60 Hz • Power requirement: 28 kVA • Full-load current: 100 A • Short-circuit breaking capacity: 10 kA • Required compressed-air pressure: 6.5 kg/cm² (92 psi) • Operating data (as shown on control): • Operating time: 3,939 h 46 min 38 s • Workpiece counter: 98,086 • Displayed cycle time: 12 min 32 s Technical Specification Taper Size BT 40

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2006, Used milling machine from Hartford Bjdpoz Hbf Nofx Amroln Type: VMC-1600S Heidenhain iTNC530 CNC control X = 1600 mm Y = 800 mm Z = 660 mm Table dimensions: 1700 x 750 mm / max. 2000 kg 20-tool automatic tool changer Equipped with a 4th axis on the table

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2014, functionality: fully functional, operating hours: 23,000 h, Equipment: ABS, Controller fanuc X Travel 2200 mm Y Travel 1450 mm Z axis 1000 mm Machine Description Bedpjwbzkmofx Amrsln Spindle 10000 RPM Taper BT50 Tool Magazine 32 + 1 Chip conveyor + TSC 20 bar paper filter Touch Probe

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2006, functionality: fully functional, travel distance X-axis: 1,000 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 600 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 750 mm, Hartford Pro 1000 – Vertical Machining Center (2006) For sale: A well-maintained Hartford Pro 1000 vertical machining center from 2006. The machine has seen only light production use and has been serviced on a regular basis. Ideal for precision machining, prototyping, and small to medium batch production. Technical Specifications Year of manufacture: 2006 X-axis travel: 1,000 mm Y-axis travel: 600 mm Hpebsx Dx Hnomt Dty Aea Z-axis travel: 630 mm Table size: 1,200 × 600 mm Spindle speed: 8,000 rpm (BT40 taper) Tool changer: 24 stations CNC control: FANUC HARTROL AI300 Spindle motor power: approx. 11–15 kW Machine weight: approx. 6,000–6,500 kg Cooling system: Flood coolant, through-spindle coolant, coolant tank with pump Condition Bjdsx Dx Hnspfx Amrsln • All axes move smoothly without abnormal noise • Spindle operates properly with no overheating • Control electronics are fully functional • Regular maintenance performed; filters changed routinely • Machine available for trial machining Included Equipment • Optional BT40 toolholders (subject to separate agreement) • Chip conveyor • Coolant tank with pump • Work lights, full guarding, documentation/manuals Availability & Logistics The machine is available for immediate delivery and is ready for loading. Transport, loading, installation, and commissioning can be arranged within Finland or internationally. The listing was translated automatically. Translation errors are possible.

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2017, travel distance X-axis: 1,600 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 820 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 820 mm, rapid traverse X-axis: 20,000 m/min, rapid traverse Y-axis: 20,000 m/min, rapid traverse Z-axis: 18,000 m/min, controller model: HARTROL PLUS 1 (MITSUBISHI), table width: 820 mm, table length: 1,750 mm, table load: 2,200 kg, number of slots in tool magazine: 40, Hartford HCMC-1682 Vertical Machining Center – Year 2017 The Hartford HCMC-1682 vertical machining center represents an ideal solution for medium and large-size mechanical machining operations that require high structural rigidity, reliability, and precision. Thanks to its robust construction and ISO 50 spindle, this machine is particularly suitable for roughing and finishing operations on steel, cast iron, and high-strength materials. Equipped with a Hartrol Plus 1 (Mitsubishi) CNC control, the machining center offers generous travels of 1,600 x 820 x 820 mm, allowing the machining of large-size components with a weight of up to 2,200 kg on the table. The two-range speed spindle, with a power of up to 18.5 kW and a maximum speed of 6,000 rpm, guarantees high chip removal performance and considerable torque at low speeds. The machine is equipped with a 40-position automatic tool magazine, through-spindle high-pressure coolant, chip conveyor, and a dedicated spindle cooler, making it ready for intensive and continuous production. Main technical features: Hartrol Plus 1 (Mitsubishi) CNC control X/Y/Z axis travels: 1,600 / 820 / 820 mm Table: 1,750 x 820 mm Blsdpozaapkofx Amrjn Table load capacity: 2,200 kg ISO 50 spindle Spindle speed: 6,000 rpm Spindle power: 15 / 18.5 kW Tool magazine: 40 positions Rapid traverse rates X/Y: 20 m/min Rapid traverse rate Z: 18 m/min Included accessories: Chip conveyor Coolant tank with pumps High-pressure coolant through spindle Spindle coolant cooler Manuals, electrical diagrams, and CE declaration

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2021, - USED - 3-AXIS BRIDGE-TYPE VERTICAL MACHINING CENTRE       X-AXIS TRAVEL: 3000 mm Y-AXIS TRAVEL: 2000 mm Z-AXIS TRAVEL: 1000 mm DISTANCE SPINDLE NOSE-TABLE: 350 - 1350 mm RAPID FEEDS X-Y-Z: 20 - 18 - 16 m/min SPINDLE: 6000 rpm; 30 kW; ISO 50 - DIN TABLE SIZE: 3000 x 1800 mm MAX ADMITTED LOAD: 10000 Kg HIGH PRESSURE COOLANT: 25 Bar TOOL MAGAZINE: CHAIN-TYPE ; 60 POS MAX TOOL DIAMETER: 125 mm MAX TOOL WEIGHT: 20 Kg Bjdpezbnriofx Amreln CONTROL UNIT: HEIDENHAIN TNC 640 WEIGHT: 32706 Kg ACCESSORIES: SWARF CONVEYOR ; PAPER FILTER ; MAGNETIC FILTER ; TOOL SETTER ; LINEAR SCALES ; TOUCH PROBE ; PORTABLE HANDWHEEL NOTE: MECHANICAL GEAR BOX

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2007, travel distance X-axis: 2,000 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 1,500 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 780 mm, spindle speed (max.): 6,000 rpm, table load: 6,000 kg, tool weight: 15,000 g, spindle motor power: 22,000 W, number of slots in tool magazine: 32, number of axes: 3, This 3-axis HARTFORD Infinity HSA-2215AD gantry milling machine was manufactured in 2007. It features an impressive X-axis travel of 2,000 mm, Y-axis travel of 1,500 mm, and Z-axis travel of 780 mm. The machine includes a robust table size of 2,200 x 1,400 mm and a maximum table load of 6,000 kg. If you are looking to get high-quality milling capabilities, consider the HARTFORD Infinity HSA-2215AD machine we have for sale. Contact us for further details. • Distance between columns: 1,700 mm • Spindle nose to table: 200 – 980 mm • Table • Size (X × Y): 2,200 × 1,400 mm • T-slots: 22 mm × 9 × 150 mm • Spindle & Drive • Taper: BBT-50 / ISO-50 • Speed: 6,000 rpm (gearhead) / 8,000–10,000 rpm (direct drive optional) • Motor power: 18.5 / 22 kW (continuous / 30 min) Bledpezqcw Refx Amrsn • Feed rates • Rapid (X / Y / Z): 20 / 20 / 15 m/min • Cutting feed: 1 – 10,000 mm/min • ATC • Tool magazine: 32 tools (optional 40 / 60) • Max tool diameter: 125 mm (215 mm without adjacent tools) • Max tool length: 350 mm Technical Specification Taper Size ISO 50

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2018, Hartford LG-500 Vertical Machining Centre Year: 2018 (only 400 working hours) Model: LG-500 Control: Hartford Plus 3 Table Size: 620 x 420mm Table Load: 300 kgs Axis Travels X/Y/Z: 620 / 420 / 450mm Spindle Nose to table: 100 – 550mm Bljdjwif R Tjpfx Amrjn Spindle Taper: 40 INT Spindle Speeds: 12,000 RPM 12 station ATC Machine as new

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2005, travel distance X-axis: 3,000 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 1,500 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 920 mm, controller manufacturer: HEIDENHAIN, total height: 7,870 mm, total width: 3,650 mm, table load: 9,000 kg, overall weight: 34,000 kg, spindle speed (max.): 3,800 rpm, product length (max.): 3,760 mm, number of axes: 3, This 3-axis HARTFORD HB 3150/S vertical machining centre was manufactured in 2005. It features a generous table size of 3000 x 1500 mm and impressive axes strokes of 3000 x 1500 x 920 mm. The machine has a maximum rotation speed of 3800 rpm and a forward speed of 10000 mm/min. If you are looking to get high-quality machining capabilities, consider the HARTFORD HB 3150/S machine we have for sale. Contact us for further details. • Table dimensions (X/Y): 3000 x 1500 mm • Forward speed (feed rate): 10000 mm/min Bjdpfxsy Al S Rs Amreln • Power requirement: 50 kVA

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2017, travel distance X-axis: 1,000 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 510 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 630 mm, controller manufacturer: FANUC, table load: 700 kg, spindle speed (max.): 8,000 rpm, spindle motor power: 11,000 W, number of axes: 3, This 3-axis Hartford LG-1000 vertical machining center was manufactured in 2017. It features a 1150x510mm table with a load capacity of 700kg, an ATC with 24 positions, and a spindle speed of 8,000 rpm. The machine includes a FANUC 0iMF controller and linear guide ways. If you are looking to get high-quality milling capabilities, consider the Hartford LG-1000 machine we have for sale. Contact us for more information. Machine Benefits Bljdox D I I Iepfx Amrsn Qualitative Machine Benefits • Very good condition, regularly maintained Technical Machine Benefits • Linear guide ways • Table dimensions: 1150 x 510 mm • Atc: 24 positions • High pressure through spindle cooling 20 bar • External and internal air cooling • Renishaw omp40-2 workpiece probe • Renishaw ots tool probe Extra Information Machine still under power Technical Specification Taper Size BT 40

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2020, Operational condition machine! Ask for additional information! Bljdpfx Aswcrrqemren

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2005, travel distance X-axis: 800 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 510 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 630 mm, controller manufacturer: FANUC, controller model: 0l-MC, overall weight: 5,800 kg, spindle speed (max.): 8,000 rpm, spindle motor power: 10,000 W, number of slots in tool magazine: 24, number of axes: 3, This 3-axis HARTFORD PRO-800A was manufactured in 2005. It features an X-axis travel of 800 mm, Y-axis travel of 510 mm, and Z-axis travel of 630 mm. The machine is equipped with a spindle speed of 8,000 rpm and a tool changer with 24 positions. If you are looking to get high-quality machining capabilities, consider the HARTFORD PRO-800A vertical machining centre we have for sale. Contact us for further details. • Rapid traverse (X/Y): 30 m/min • Rapid traverse (Z): 24 m/min • Working feed: 1–10,000 mm/min • Table size: 900 x 470 mm • Spindle power: 7.5 kW / 10 kW • Spindle-to-table distance: 75–705 mm • Tool changer: 24 positions • Condition: Under power, fully functional Bledpfxezu S Rho Amrsn Additional equipment • Internal cabin flushing (chip flush) • Chip conveyor belt Technical Specification Taper Size BT 40

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2011, functionality: fully functional, total height: 3,950 mm, total width: 6,691 mm, The complete packaging line is ready for immediate use. The Rovema MVP 280/400 (2011) was fully overhauled and rebuilt in 2022/2023 by DL Packaging and has seen only limited use since then. Available for type of packaging: Block bottom bag and Pillow bag. The packaging line consists of: Bsdpfszi Ebcox Amreln Product infeed conveyor Multihead weigher (10–1,000 g, up to 65 weighings/min) Rovema MVP 280/400 packaging machine (2011) Markem-Imaje printer Stand-up pouch device including 1 set of forming parts Format set for flat bags (250 mm) Discharge conveyor for finished bags Frame for stable, vibration-free installation of the multihead weigher: approx. 2800 × 2800 × 2200 (H) mm, made of painted steel, including stairs and handrails The machine is equipped with a Siemens S7 control system and operator interface and features a sealing system for heat-sealable packaging materials, including PP films as well as laminated films with a thickness of 50 to 100 µm. A complete packaging solution ready for immediate production use.

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2024, DEMONSTRATION MACHINE!! For sale: a used Felder membrane press MVP with a tiltable worktable. The machine is in like-new condition and has been serviced and inspected by our professional staff. (Fully functional) Technical data: - Worktable: 3290 x 1560 mm - HPL vacuum table with channels Bsdpfxsxzppbo Amroln - 3 mm rubber membrane - Rotary vane vacuum pump - Undercarriage The membrane press is located in A-8561 Söding and can be inspected at any time during our business hours. Subject to prior sale! Related terms: press, veneer press, pneumatic press Reference: R-D1618

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2015, functionality: fully functional, type of input current: three-phase, sheet thickness (max.): 30 mm, input voltage: 380 V, cutting speed: 6,000 mm/min, total width: 4,850 mm, total length: 10,150 mm, table length: 6,000 mm, working width: 2,000 mm, compressed air connection: 8 bar, table width: 2,000 mm, cutting current: 260 A, positioning accuracy: 0.01 mm, working length: 6,000 mm, travel distance X-axis: 6,000 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 2,000 mm, type of cooling: water, height adjustment type: electric, input frequency: 50 Hz, Equipment: documentation/manual, double-sided, For sale: used AJAN CNC plasma cutting machine with water table. The table is filled with water to a set level and cutting takes place just above the water surface. The water captures fumes and dust and cools the workpiece, so no separate filtration system is needed. The machine is compact and takes up little floor space. The gantry has dual-side servo drive. AJANCAM nesting software is included free of charge. ⭐️ Manufacturer AJAN Elektronik (Turkey) ⭐️ 1st Commissioned December 2015 ⭐️ Table size 2000 × 6000 mm ⭐️ Plasma power source AJAN HP 260A ⭐️ CNC control AJAN own controller ⭐️ Nesting software AJANCAM nesting software – included free of charge + free updates in future. ⭐️ Cutting currents 30 A, 80 A, 130 A, 260 A ⭐️ Max. cutting thickness quality cut up to 30 mm ⭐️ Input voltage: 380 V ⭐️ Phases: 3 ⭐️ Frequency: 50 Hz ⭐️ Torch height control automatic ⭐️ Gas control automatic ⭐️ Condition in working order ⭐️ Price 16 500 EUR + VAT ⭐️ Transport and installation 5 500 EUR + VAT (in Baltics, Finland) ⭐️ Availability immediately ⭐️ Photos, layout, attached to this post ⭐️ video on request Need more information or a formal quote? please send a e-mail or give us a call. Bjdjy Annbepfx Amroln

Condition: used, Year of construction: 1980, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: M04L/8718, Offer Number: M04L/8718 Blodpjwi St Uefx Amron Machinetype: pointing and pincing machine Info: vibratory feeder Make: NATIONAL HARTFORD Type: FORGE-MATIC 2 F.M. Constr. year: 1980 diameter range: 12 mm shaft length under head: 120 mm output - pieces/min: 300 Location: In our warehouse

Year of construction: 2022, condition: ready for operation (used), A CNC vertical machining center Akira Performa with a counter bearing on the A-axis is available. Travel X/Y/Z: 2060mm/850mm/815mm, spindle-table distance: 120mm-935mm, table dimensions X/Y: 2150mm/800mm, max. table load: 3240kg. Spindle power: 42kW, speed: 8000rpm, tool holder: BT50, rapid traverse X/Y/Z: 36m/36m/30m/min, positioning accuracy: 0.015mm, repetition accuracy: +/-0.005mm. Tool positions: 28, max. tool diameter: 100mm/200mm, max. tool length: 350mm, max. tool weight: 15kg. Machine dimensions X/Y: approx. 5000mm/3550mm, weight: approx. 14500kg, control: Siemens 828, documentation available. On-site inspection is possible. Bjdpfx Ajv Ubqbomrsln

Year of construction: 2012, condition: ready for operation (used), A CNC vertical machining center Akira Seiki is available. Travel X/Y/Z: 2060mm/850mm/815mm, spindle-table distance: 120mm-935mm, table dimensions X/Y: 2150mm/800mm, max. table load: 3240kg. Spindle power: 42kW, speed: 8000rpm, tool holder: BT50, rapid traverse X/Y/Z: 36m/36m/30m/min, positioning accuracy: 0.015mm, repetition accuracy: +/-0.005mm. Tool positions: 28, max. tool diameter: 100mm/200mm, max. tool length: 350mm, max. tool weight: 15kg. Machine dimensions X/Y: approx. 5000mm/3550mm, weight: approx. 14500kg, control: Mitsubishi 70, documentation available. On-site inspection is possible. Blodpfxev Ubqhe Amrjn

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 1987, A form-fill-seal machine Rovema including a multihead weigher Ishida CCW-S-211 is available. Bag dimensions X/Y: 220mm/340mm, packaging capacity: 55 bags/min, operating hours: 35554h. Documentation available. An on-site inspection is possible. Bledjw H At Tjpfx Amren

Condition: excellent (used), axle configuration: 3 axles, permissible axle load (axle 1): 10,000 kg, permissible axle load (axle 2): 9,000 kg, permissible axle load (axle 3): 9,000 kg, first registration: 02/2001, total length: 8,960 mm, total width: 2,450 mm, wheelbase: 4,960 mm, color: other, Year of construction: 2001, Max. front axle load: 10000 kg Rear axle 1: Lift axle; Max. axle load: 9000 kg Rear axle 2: Max. axle load: 9000 kg Empty weight: 5.370 kg Bsdpfoz Ig E Djx Amroln Carrying capacity: 22.630 kg GVW: 28.000 kg Technical condition: very good Visual appearance: very good Registration number: WZ-97-VL = Dealer information = For more photos see: Why you buy from Thomas Trucks? That choice is simple. Thomas Trucks is one of the independent trading companies worldwide in the field of used commercial vehicles. Here you can choose from an ever-changing stock of second hand trucks, tractors, trailers and trailers. Our offer includes all European brands, construction years and price ranges. Here you will always find a good vehicle for the right price! Thomas Trucks always has: - Sharp prices - Good service - Spacious, rapidly changing stock - Known quality - Decent business - We speak many languages - Accompaniment input and transport - (Export) license plate quickly arranged - Professional technical services - And more. Visit the website: and view our complete range and competitive offers We are open 6 days a week. Do you need help with exporting, importing, or shipping your vehicle? Contact our sales team. Selling your current vehicle to us is also possible. We do our best to display the data as accurately as possible, however no rights can be derived from this data We can also arrange financing for you within the Netherlands.

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2020, operating hours: 20,000 h, clamping force: 2,250 kN, screw diameter: 55 mm, total width: 1,700 mm, total height: 2,000 mm, overall weight: 9,900 kg, product length (max.): 6,400 mm, This 3-axis SHIBAURA EC230SXIII-8A was manufactured in 2020. It features a clamping force of 2250 kN and a mold opening stroke of 550 mm. The machine has a maximum distance between platens of 1230 mm and a screw diameter of 45 / 50 / 55 mm. If you are looking to get high-quality injection molding capabilities, consider the SHIBAURA EC230SXIII-8A electrical injection moulding machine we have for sale. Contact us for further details. • Distance between tie bars (H x V): 610 x 560 mm • Platen dimensions (H x V): 880 x 830 mm • Mold opening stroke: 550 mm • Max. distance between platens: 1230 mm • Mold height (min–max): 250–680 mm • Ejection force: 49 kN (5.0 tf) Bjdpoy Ifctjfx Amrjln • Ejection stroke: 130 mm • Injection unit code: 18 • Screw diameter: 45 / 50 / 55 mm • Max. injection capacity: 318 / 392 / 475 cm³ • Injection weight (PS): 292 / 361 / 437 g • Injection weight (PE): 232 / 286 / 346 g • Max. injection pressure: 247 / 200 / 165 MPa • Max. holding pressure: 247 / 200 / 165 MPa • Nozzle support force: 29.4 kN (3.0 tf) • Main breaker capacity (STD/High Torque): 125 A • Main breaker capacity (High Speed): 175 A • Transformer (STD): 75 kVA • Heating power: 15.2 / 16 kW

Condition: used, Year of construction: 1979, Technical details: throat: 410 mm dimension machine xH: 1,15m x 0,8m x 2,0m m Vertical band saw with saw band welding device. The table is tiltable. Bsdpfx Ameu Niu Ujreln *

Condition: excellent (used), Catalog number 8098 TECHNICAL DATA - dimensions of the work table (length/width) 2900x1200mm - overall dimensions of the table 3000x1300mm - max. operating temperature 50°C - max. operating vacuum 0.9 bar - total machine power 5.25kW - vacuum pump power 0.75kW - vacuum pump capacity approximately 25/30m3/h - noise level approximately 70dB - dimensions (length/width/height) 3060x1440x1400mm - weight approximately 400kg ADVANTAGES - Made in Austria - Unpainted - Very good condition Bljdpezzqfwofx Amren - Used press Net price: 19900 PLN Net price: 4628 EUR, depending on the exchange rate of 4.30 EUR (Prices may vary due to exchange rate fluctuations)

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2015, Glass thickness: Adjustable from 3 to 28 mm Max. sheet dimensions: Up to 2000 x 3000 mm Power consumption: Approx. 13.8 kW This 8-spindle machine is well-maintained and in good condition. Approx. 15,000 m run. Last service in fall 2025. Accessories: Water tank, pump, and spare parts. Dimensions: Width: 6,500 mm Depth: 1,600 mm Height: 2,600 mm Weight: 3,200 kg Bjdpfjz Ekcbjx Amreln Condition: Very good, second-hand