Used Eisele Type Lms I for sale (76,437)

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 1967, functionality: fully functional, Metal cut-off saw Type LMS I - Year of manufacture: 1967 - 380 Volt - 1450 rpm; 2950 rpm - 1.8 kW Rodpoxa Hkmjfx Amyecd Transport available at an additional cost! Due to the age of the used machine, warranty is excluded for sales to commercial customers.

Year of construction: 1967, condition: used, machine/vehicle number: 9317, disk of circular saw-Ø: 275 mm cutting area at 90°: 120 x 75 mm cutting area at 45°: 90 x 65 mm Redpfxjb N Eice Amyjcd rotations of disk: 2000 rpm engine: 380 V, 1,1 kW space needed: 700 x 900 x 1000 mm

Condition: used, Miter saw for aluminum, EISELE, Type LMS II HVG-225 Machine no. 0107, year of manufacture 1980 Cutting range: 90° = 150 x 100 mm 45° = 120 x 100 mm Saw blade diameter: max. 400 mm Miter cut: +/- 45° Saw blade speed: 1700 / 3400 rpm Motor power: 1.4 / 1.9 kW Power supply: 380 volts, 50 Hz Table size in front of the stop angle: 580 x 350 mm - Motor type RF 1.5 / 4 / 2-7 Rcodpfxozinzrs Amyod - Saw unit for shifting cut, tiltable 45° to the left - Machine equipped with a saw blade for aluminum, Ø 400 mm - Hose connection for chip extraction, Ø 80 mm - Sturdy metal base Space requirement (L x W x H): 1050 x 1020 x 1700 mm Weight: 150 kg In good condition

Condition: used, Year of construction: 1989, saw blade diameter 350 mm Rcodjxabw Ujpfx Amyod cutting diameter 115 mm capacity 90 degrees: flat 200 x 80 mm turning speeds 1700/3400 U/min saw-blade dia. 350 x 3.3 x 40 mm motor 400 Volt total power requirement 1.8 / 2.6 kW weight ca. 600 kg range L-W-H 1000 x 850 x 1500 mm - Inspected condition - Machine video - ?v=k-VA1e8rSJI Features: - Semi-automatic aluminum circular saw - Pneumatic material clamping - Infinitely variable adjustment of the saw head lowering speed - Machine table with miter adjustment - Machine base frame * without material stop as shown in the pictures

Condition: used, Year of construction: 1994, Technical details: saw blade diameter: 450 mm revolution per minute: 2820 U/min cutting lenght max.: 5000 mm cutting length min.: 240 mm air pressure - required: 6-8 bar hole of sawblade: 32 mm mitter cutting - both sides: 45+90 ° air-pressure connection: 6 - 8 bar total power requirement: ca. 4,6 kW weight of the machine ca.: 1,1 t dimension machine xH: 6,05x1,49x1,79 m Further features of the machine: - Pneumatic vertical and horizontal tension - pneumatic mist spraying device - height adjustable machine feet - material supports movable with saw - piece counter Cutting diameter according to tabular cutting range diagram, as dependent on speed and saw blade. Accessories: - 2 spare saw blades Machine can be demonstrated under power. i.D. Rcodpfju Nigkjx Amyod *

Condition: used, Year of construction: 1990, saw blade diameter 300 mm cutting diameter 90 mm turning speeds 40/80 U/min total power requirement 1,5 kW weight of the machine ca. 350 Kg Rcedpsy Ehx Eefx Amyod dimensions of the machine ca. 0,9 x 0,8 x 1,5 m Cold circular saw - Machine light - Coolant system

Condition: used, Year of construction: 1994, functionality: unexamined, machine/vehicle number: 171982, saw blade diameter: 350 mm, main saw diameter: 350 mm, We offer this used EISELE LMS 350 P cut-off saw, year of manufacture 1994. Manufacturer: EISELE Model: LMS 350 P Serial number: 171982 Rodpfx Aey D H Dwjmyocd Year of manufacture: 1994 Voltage: 380 V With double-button control and pneumatic clamps Equipped with a wood blade If you have any questions or need further information, please feel free to send us a message or give us a call.

Condition: new, Product description: I-Beam Type Hanger Conveyors Conveyor Systems are one of the most important parts of the lines used in automatic coating plants. Our conveyor systems, which carries the parts to be painted in meters per day and kilometers per year, play an important role. Heavy parts to be coated are carried by webb conveyors which perform for long years with their long lasting bearings and steel cast chains. It has a wide carrying capacity range starting from 120 kg to 2 tons. • Operating principle of this type of conveyors is based on transferring suspended materials by chains and trolleys moving on a NPI profile by the help of a drive unit. • WEBB type conveyor chains are made of nodular cast iron or forged steel and subjected to heat treatment afterwards. • Special roller bearings used on trolleys are capable of operating at 200 °C. Greasers placed on trolley bodies provide lubrication for the system. • The drive system can be built based on either the caterpillar system or the gearwheel system, with safety switches and moving trolleys. • Conveyor speed can be easily adjusted by use of a frequency controller. • Chain tensioning system consists of skids and springs. Rollers and support wheels are used for band turns. Rcjdpfxjdy Ewlj Amyod

Year of construction: 2007, condition: ready for operation (used), Four metalworking machines are offered. 1) Cloos GLC 255 MIG/MAG welding machine, year of manufacture: 2004, dimensions X/Y/Z: approx. 980mm/450mm/700mm, weight: approx. 115kg. 2) Cloos GLC 353 MC3 MIG/MAG pulsed welding machine, year of manufacture: 2007, weight: approx. 160kg. 3) hebö Type II bar twister, year of manufacture: 1979. 4) Eisele VMS II PV-p circular saw, year of manufacture: 1974, weight: approx. 290kg. Inspection by prior arrangement is possible. Redpozp Rhhefx Amyocd

Year of construction: 2017, condition: excellent (used), functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: 9588, Reconditioned Production Ready！ Ref Code:1027 Rcjdpfxozlauce Amyjd Prisma 600 Saw blade diameter vertical: 600 mm Saw blade diameter horizontal: 500 mm Notching width: at 90° processing of profiles up to 300 mm, pointed mitres up to 30° Profile height max. 280 mm Notching depth: at 90° horizontally up to 185 mm / at 90° vertically up to 230 mm Material stop: swivel 30° - 90° - 45° Swivelling material stop with detent points and digital display Latch height motorized adjustable with digital display Motorized adjustment of angles with digital display Hydropneumatic material feed via 2-hand operation Pneumatic material tensioners Coolant lubrication

Condition: used, Used Hosokawa Nauta type conical mixer, approximately 750 litre working capacity. Rcsdpfx Amezbuhdeysd

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2017, fully automatic operation Drive: 7.5 kW, S6, 400 V, 50 Hz, 2850 rpm For use with saw blades D 550 mm Cutting range: 270x140 mm (width x height), D 185 mm Max. profile width: 270 mm Control panel with display Includes piece counter Includes reversing mechanism for a maximum section length of 3000 mm Automatic shutdown via limit switch when the material runs out Hydropneumatic saw blade feed, infinitely adjustable, from bottom to top Vertical and horizontal clamping device, on the feed and discharge side of the saw head Pneumatic dosing spray device Cutting gap widening on both sides of the saw blade Electronic material feed unit, 3-600 mm feed length, with ball screw and servomotor, includes pneumatic horizontal and vertical clamping device, Remaining piece from 75 mm, depending on the profile 2 dust extraction nozzles D 100 mm Safety guard over the saw head and the feed unit A suitable dust extraction system can be offered as an option! Rcsdpfx Amezn H Uheyed

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 1980, functionality: fully functional, Type VMS III - PV Machine No. 8518 Year of construction 1980 Technical data : 2-stage saw motor 2.0 / 2.6 kW Saw blade 350 mm 4 cutting speeds 8.5 / 17 / 34 / 68 rpm Rcjdpfeznc S Aox Amysd Clamping range, flat / round 200 / 120 mm Feed length, single stroke 5 - 600 mm Feed length, double stroke 1200 mm

Condition: used, Year of construction: 1989, saw blade diameter 320 mm Rcodpfx Ajw Dvivsmyjd cutting diameter 140 mm total power requirement 3 kW weight of the machine ca. 0,5 t

Condition: used, Year of construction: 1971, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: 3229, type of input current: three-phase, rotational speed (min.): 35 rpm, rotational speed (max.): 70 rpm, input voltage: 500 V, For sale is a robust metal circular saw from the manufacturer Eisele, model VMS III. This machine is a classic cold circular saw designed for industrial use and stands out due to its solid construction and durability. Ideal for workshops, metal fabrication, or locksmith operations. Technical data: • Manufacturer: Eisele • Type: VMS III • Year of manufacture: 1971 • Machine number: 3229 • Rotational speeds: 35 / 70 rpm • Voltage: 500 V • Motor power: approx. 1.8 to 2.6 kW • Frequency: 50 Hz Rodpey Dc I Ssfx Amyecd • Version: Three-phase current • Equipped with a vise and mechanical feed Condition: Used condition, appropriate for its age. The machine is of heavy-duty construction and well-suited for refurbishment or immediate use. Visually with signs of wear.

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2023, operating hours: 1,809 h, total width: 2,000 mm, total height: 1,800 mm, overall weight: 1,650 kg, controller manufacturer: SIEMENS, controller model: S7 with SIMATIC HMI Touch Panel, product length (max.): 2,400 mm, Circular Metal Saw manufactured in 2023. This PRESSTA EISELE PROFILMA 502 features a powerful 7.5 kW saw drive with a maximum saw blade speed of 2,850 rpm. It offers a cutting capacity of 270 x 150 mm and a maximum profile width of 270 mm. The machine includes a Siemens S7 control system with a touch panel for enhanced operation. If you are looking to get high-quality cutting capabilities, consider the PRESSTA EISELE PROFILMA 502 machine we have for sale. Contact us for further details. Technical Specifications • Saw Drive Power: 7.5 kW (7,500 W) • Duty Cycle: S6 • Saw Blade Speed: Max. 2,850 rpm • Power Supply: 400 V, 3-phase, 50 Hz • Current Consumption: 16 A • Operating Pressure: 6–8 bar Cutting Capacity • Maximum Cutting Width: 270 mm • Maximum Cutting Height: 150 mm • Maximum Cutting Diameter: 270 mm • Maximum Round Material Capacity (90°): 190 mm • Maximum Profile Width: 270 mm • Section Length Range: 3–4,000 mm • Minimum Remnant Length: From 75 mm (depending on profile) Saw Blade Rcsdpfszi S R Rox Amyod • Saw Blade Diameter: Ø550 mm • Saw Blade Bore: Ø40 mm Control System • PLC: Siemens S7 • HMI: SIMATIC Touch Panel • Controller: CPU 315 • Safety System: Flexisoft • Functions: • Piece counter • Batch multiplier for bundle processing • Cycle time display • Chain dimension management • Fault diagnostics Connectivity • Remote Access: IXON router with VPN connection Material Feed System • Drive Type: Electronic servo drive • Feed Stroke: 800 mm • Drive Mechanism: Ball screw spindle • Maximum Profile Length: 4,000 mm • Feed Support: Lift/lower roller support Saw Feed • Feed Type: Motorized • Feed Adjustment: Stepless • Cutting Direction: Bottom to top Clamping System • Type: Pneumatic horizontal and vertical clamping • Clamping Position: Feed and discharge sides • Pressure Control: 6 individual pressure regulators Lubrication • Lubrication Type: Intermittent spray system • Reservoir Capacity: 1 L • Features: • Level monitoring • Automatic shut-off Safety Features • Complete safety enclosure • Sound-insulated machine frame • Automatic machine shut-off at end of material stock • Cutting gap extension to protect cut surfaces Material Support • Infeed Conveyor: 740 mm roller conveyor with intrusion guard • Outfeed Table: 450 mm Pertinax support table with intrusion guard Extraction • Extraction Ports: 2 × Ø100 mm Chip Extraction Unit • Model: MG 3 (Italyvacuum Vortex 58 FT) • Year of Manufacture: 2022 • Motor Power: 3 kW • Voltage: 400 V / 3~ (±5%) • Current Consumption: 7.2 A • Weight: 130 kg • Features: • Integrated cyclonic separation system • Contactless antistatic system Additional Information • Machine can be inspected under power.

Condition: new, Circular saw automation system Profilma 502, representative of the diverse "Profilma" series ideal for window and facade construction, automotive industry, machine and plant engineering, photovoltaics/solar, etc. • for aluminum and plastic profiles • fully automatic operation • Siemens S7 control with touch display, including piece counter • Error diagnosis including IXON router for VPN connection • Batch multiplier for the use of material bundles Rcodezlr Rcspfx Amyed • Cycle time indication in seconds • for use with Ø 550 mm saw blades • Drive 7.5 kW, S6, 400 V, 50 Hz, 2,850 rpm • motorized saw feed, sawing cut from below • Cutting splitter extension on both sides of the saw blade • Material feed unit with ball screw spindle and servomotor • Feed length: 3 - 800 mm • Feed slide with adjustable support roller • Reversing mechanism up to a section length of max. 4.0 m • Automatic shutdown via limit switches at the end of the material • Remnant piece from 75 mm (depending on the profile) The basic machine is also available as a sawing, drilling, and threading automation system or as a sawing and punching automation system. They complete your orders quickly and efficiently with precision and high production volumes. Further circular saw automation systems are also available for larger profile dimensions or cost-intensive workpiece materials, and are part of the proven Pressta-Eisele standard range. Based on your processing requirements, we will be happy to advise you!

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2018, operating hours: 8,011 h, functionality: fully functional, total length: 16,000 mm, total width: 3,000 mm, total height: 3,600 mm, overall weight: 40,600 kg, power: 360 kW (489.46 HP), Doppstadt DW3060K Büffel/Biopower/Type F/Selector HS-514/Shredder/Crusher/Industrial Shredder • Manufacturer: Doppstadt • Type: DW3060K Büffel • Year of Manufacture: 2018 • Operating Hours: 8011 hrs • Power: 360 kW/489 hp • Industrial Shredder • Engine: Mercedes Benz MTU OM471LA(6R 1300) EUROMOT IV, 6-cylinder diesel • Pneumatic spiral fan • Fuel tank: 2 x 300 liters • AdBlue • Telematics system • Crushing roller, size M • Length: 3 meters • Diameter: 80 cm • Tooth width: 7.4 cm • Tooth height: 8.5 cm • Number of teeth: 125 pieces • Throughput: 20-60 t/h, depending on the material • Magnetic belt • Track system: Strickland 335713-DK40-AA • 2 travel speeds • Loading height: 3.10 meters • Remote control • Central lubrication system • Transport length: 16 meters • Transport width: 3 meters • Transport height: 3.60 meters • Total weight: 40,600 kg • German machine Rjdszimm Hspfx Amyscd • Ready for immediate use _____ Selector HS-514/Star screen with return conveyor • Screen size: 8-10 cm • 13 star shafts • Integrated support legs • The attachment is picked up by the machine and driven via the auxiliary hydraulics • Star shafts are reversible • Reversing mechanism: Hydraulic • Return system for larger materials • Discharge height: 3.10 meters • This offer is non-binding and subject to change. - Subject to prior sale, - Errors and/or typos are not excluded. - Sale subject to our general terms and conditions.

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 1966, I sell a circular saw made in Germany. Company Eisele model vms II in good condition Rcjdpfx Amevbwfneyed

Year of construction: 2000, condition: used, Saw blade diameter vertical: 600 mm Saw blade diameter (horizontal): 500 mm Ejecting width: processing of profiles up to 300 mm at 90°, mitre tips up to 30° Profile height max. 280 mm Engagement depth: at 90° horizontal up to 185 mm / at 90° vertical up to 230 mm Material stop: swiveling 30° - 90° - 45° Pivoting material stop with locking points and digital display Motorized latch height adjustable with digital display Rcodpfxjzfkwbe Amyod Motorized adjustment of the angles with digital display Hydropneumatic material feed via 2-hand operation Pneumatic material clamps coolant lubrication

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2008, functionality: fully functional, High-performance automatic sawing machine / Brand: PRESSTA-EISELE Type: Profilma 510 / Year of construction: 09/2008 Rsdpjw D T Uiofx Amyocd Description: * High-performance automatic sawing machine with fully automatic operation, * Very high cutting accuracy, * Low cycle times, * Burdere-free sawing, * High reliability, * Low maintenance Suitable for aluminum and plastic, for cutting large quantities of small parts, length tolerance 1/10 mm. The automatic sawing machine can be inspected and tested by appointment. Previous use: Used for cutting corner connectors. Condition: Very well maintained, used, ready to use. Technical specifications: - Saw motor: 7,5 kW, S6 - Speed: 2.000 - 3.500 rpm - Cutting speed: up to 92 m/s - Material feed length: up to 1.000 mm / 5-fold reversal possible - Section length: from 8 mm depending on profile - Remaining piece length: from 90 mm depending on section length - Working pressure: 6 - 8 bar - Power supply: Standard: 400 V, 50 Hz - Weight: 1.750 kg - Dimensions Length/Depth/Height: 2.700 x 1.400 x 2.300 mm Equipment: - Control via Siemens S7 panel - Fully automatic bar feed - Roller conveyors - Extraction - Chip bunker - Various accessories - CE marking There is no guarantee for correctness and completeness of the technical details and accessories.

Condition: used, Year of construction: 1975, saw blade diameter 350 mm capacity 90 degrees: round 120 mm capacity 45 degrees: round 100 mm capacity 90 degrees: flat 150 x 110 mm capacity 45 degrees: flat 120 x 100 mm engine output 1,8 / 2,6 kW 500 mm weight 450 kg Rcjdpfxow Nrvbs Amysd dimensions ca. 1100x710x1850 m Semi-automatic vertical cold circular saw with pneumatic clamping and feed device 4 saw blade speeds (2 via motor / 2via gearbox: 11/22/44/88 rpm integrated coolant pump

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2023, operating hours: 499 h, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: 1587 / 1588, saw blade diameter: 500 mm, This model combines precise cutting to length with integrated punching operations, making it ideal for complex manufacturing processes: Saw unit: Equipped with a saw blade diameter of 500 mm. Drive is provided by a 7.5 kW motor (400 V) with stepless speed control. Punching unit: Features a hydraulic punching unit on the cut-off side with a punching force of 250 kN. The punching direction is vertical from above, with punching tool cassettes that can accommodate up to 8 profiles simultaneously. Rsdpfx Ajyyz Txjmyscd Material feed: The feed is controlled via a ball screw spindle and a servomotor, with a maximum feed length of 400 mm per individual stroke. Control system: Modern variants often use a Siemens S7 control with touch display for intuitive operation and precise programming. The machine is designed for continuous industrial operation and has the following physical characteristics: Weight: approx. 1,000 kg to 1,500 kg (depending on configuration). Dimensions (saw): approx. 2,100 x 2,000 x 1,600 mm (LxWxH). Hydraulic unit: approx. 900 x 600 x 800 mm. 2 machines in stock. ----- Attractive offer – flexible & worry-free We not only offer you a high-quality product, but also tailor-made financing options to suit your needs. Whether down payment, installment plan or individual financing models – together we will find the right solution. Upon request, we will also handle the complete transport logistics. From planning to reliable delivery, we ensure a smooth and punctual process so you don't have to worry about a thing. 📞 Please contact us for more information or a non-binding quote. We provide you with personal and knowledgeable advice. Subject to prior sale, changes and errors excepted!

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2023, operating hours: 450 h, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: 1589 / 1590, saw blade diameter: 500 mm, Fully automatic sawing and punching machine for aluminium and plastic profiles The Profilma 502 ST-V combines precise sawing and punching in a continuous, automated workflow. Based on the proven Profilma 502 model, this machine is ideally suited for high-volume production, complex processing tasks, and the machining of bundle materials. Rcedpfx Amsyyz Eboyjd Control is provided via a Siemens S7 system with touch display, piece counter, cycle time display, and integrated error diagnostics. An IXON router enables secure remote access via VPN. Up to 10 punching dimensions can be programmed per job. Sawing range & feed: - 500–550 mm saw blades - Saw drive: 7.5 kW, S6, 400 V, 50 Hz, 2,850 rpm - Infinitely variable speed adjustment - Saw cut from below, powered feed - Material feed: 3–800 mm, reverse feeding up to 4,000 mm - Ball screw spindle with servo drive and round guide rails - Residual piece: from 75 mm (sawing mode), from 80 mm (punching/sawing mode)* Punching unit: - Vertical hydraulic punch (output side) with automatic oil cooling - Punching force: 300 kN - Stroke: 20 mm - Double stroke cycle time: 2 - 3 seconds - Punch slug ejection into the machine frame - Conveyor belt 250 × 800 mm for parts removal Equipment: - 2 pneumatic clamping cylinders (vertical, pressure-reduced) - 3 chip extraction ports Ø 100 mm, potential-free contact for extraction control system - Minimum quantity spray unit with two 3-litre tanks and fill level display - Noise protection package: enclosure and saw guard internally insulated - Roller conveyor (740 mm) with reach-in protection on the infeed side - Sturdy stationary machine frame, working height: 960 mm - Manually operated safety cover - Saw blade housing located below the table surface Max. cutting range: - Profile height: up to 65 mm - Profile width: up to 170 mm Technical data: - Dimensions (W × D × H): approx. 311 × 153 × 197 cm - 2 machines available ----- Attractive offer – flexible & worry-free We not only provide you with a high-quality product, but also offer customised financing solutions tailored to your needs. Whether down payment, instalment payment, or individual financing models – together, we will find the right option for you. If desired, we can also take care of the entire transport logistics. From planning through to reliable delivery, we ensure a smooth and punctual process so you do not need to worry about anything. 📞 Please feel free to contact us for more information or a non-binding quotation. We will provide you with professional and personal advice. Subject to prior sale, modifications, and errors!

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2023, operating hours: 67 h, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: 1591 / 1592, saw blade diameter: 500 mm, Fully Automatic Sawing and Punching Machine for Aluminum and Plastic Profiles The Profilma 502 ST - HV combines precise sawing and flexible punching in a fully automatic process. Based on the Profilma 502 model, it is specifically optimized for high-volume applications and combined processing operations – including the handling of entire profile layers. Control is provided via a Siemens S7 system with touch display, piece counter, cycle time display, and integrated fault diagnosis. An IXON router allows for secure remote access via VPN. Up to 10 punching dimensions can be programmed per order. The horizontal punching unit can be deactivated if required. Sawing Area & Feed: - 500–550 mm saw blades - Saw drive: 7.5 kW, S6, 400 V, 50 Hz, 2,850 rpm - Infinitely variable speed control - Saw cuts from below, with motorized feed - Material feed: 3–800 mm, reversible up to 4,000 mm - Ball screw spindle with servo drive and round guide shafts - Remnant length: from 75 mm (saw mode), from 80 mm (punch/saw mode)* Punching Unit: - Vertical and horizontal hydraulic punching (on discharge side) with automatic oil cooler - Punching force: 2 × 150 kN - Stroke: ≤ 20 mm - Vertical stroke infinitely adjustable (also suitable for embossing) - Horizontal punching cylinder can be switched off separately - Double stroke cycle time: 2x 2–3 seconds - Punch scrap is discharged sideways from the machine frame - 250 × 800 mm conveyor belt for part discharge Equipment: Rcodpfjyyzxhjx Amyod - 2 pneumatic clamping cylinders (vertical, pressure-reduced) - 3 chip extraction nozzles Ø 100 mm, volt-free contact for extraction control - Minimum quantity lubrication unit with 2x 3-liter tanks and level indicator - Noise protection package: sound-insulated hood and internal saw blade guard - Roller conveyor (740 mm) with reach protection on infeed side - Sturdy stationary frame, working height: 960 mm - Manually opening safety hood - Saw blade housing located under the table Max. Cutting Area: - Profile height: up to 65 mm - Profile width: up to 135 mm Technical Data: - Dimensions (W × D × H): approx. 311 × 153 × 197 cm - Total of 2 units available ----- Attractive Offer – Flexible & Worry-Free We not only offer you a high-quality product but also tailored financing options that suit your needs. Whether down payment, installment plans, or individual financing models – together we will find the right solution. If desired, we can also handle the complete transport organization. From planning to reliable delivery, we ensure a smooth and timely process so you don’t have to worry about a thing. 📞 Contact us for more information or a non-binding quote. We provide you with personal and competent advice. Subject to prior sale, changes, and errors!