Used Global Hs-8307 for sale (4,003)

Condition: new, Year of construction: 2026, Motor: 4 kW Voltage: 230V 3F, 400V 3F or 460V 3F Belt speed: 45 m/s, 4300 r/p Belt dimensions: 100×2000 mm / 150×2000 mm Bjdpfxjy T N Sij Amyelk Sanding diameter: Ø20-Ø114.3 Sanding angle: 20 - 90º Operation: Lever and manual wheel operation 2-in-1 pipe grinder The new AL150HS has a belt speed of 45 m/s thanks to its unique gearbox. If you open the tailgate, the pipe grinder can also be used as a belt grinder, ideal for deburring polished profiles. The AL150HS can be operated with two handwheels or with a lever. Both options are available on the machine. With the AL150HS you can grind material from Ø20 to Ø114.3. The cross support and the carriage with rotating clamp are infinitely adjustable. This means that all pipe profiles can be ground at any desired angle from 20° to 90°. The AL150HS from ALMI can be used to process square, rectangular and round pipes with different wall thicknesses and in all common materials. The ALMI belt adjustment system now makes it even easier to adjust the sanding belt using the hexagon key supplied. The sanding belt can be tensioned quickly and the sanding rollers can be changed in just a few seconds. Sanding at high speed Thanks to new developments, ALMI has been able to achieve a sanding speed of 45 m/s with the renewed AL150HS. This gives the sanding belt a longer service life, as the faster sanding means there is less heat in the material, resulting in less discoloration and fine dust.

Condition: used, mileage: 279,790 km, power: 240 kW (326.31 HP), first registration: 01/2015, fuel type: diesel, empty load weight: 17,995 kg, maximum load weight: 8,005 kg, overall weight: 26,000 kg, tire size: 315/70 22,5, tire condition: 50 %, axle configuration: 6x2, wheelbase: 4,000 mm, next inspection (TÜV): 01/2026, color: green, driver cabin: day cab, gearing type: automatic, emission class: euro6, suspension: steel-air, Year of construction: 2014, operating hours: 279,790 h, front tire size: 315/70 22,5, rear tire size: 315/70 22,5, Equipment: ABS, air conditioning, differential lock, fog lights, onboard computer, sliding door, truck registration, Reference number for inquiries: 69374 Mercedes-Benz, Axor * Year of manufacture: 2014 * ABS, Anti-lock Braking System * EBS, Electronic Braking System * Electric windows * Automatic climate control * Air suspension * Power steering * Seat heating * On-board computer * Differential lock * Video system * Digital tachograph * Radio CD * OBU preparation (on-board unit) * Electric windows & mirrors * AdBlue tank * Fog lights * Comfort air-suspension seat * Lane change warning system * Valid inspections: HU/AU until 01.2026 * Transmission: Automatic * Suspension: Leaf/Air * Total permissible weight: 26,000 kg * Curb weight: 17,995 kg Bljdpfx Amjw I Nk Tsyek * Payload: 8,005 kg * Permissible total weight: 26,000 kg * Tire condition 1st axle: 70% – 70% (Tire size: 315/70 R22.5) * Tire condition 2nd axle: 30%|30% – 30%|30% (Tire size: 315/70 R22.5) * Tire condition 3rd axle: 70% – 70% (Tire size: 315/70 R22.5) * Wheelbase: 4,000 mm * Tire size: 315/70 R22.5 * Body: HS FL-F-XXL37 front loader * Blind spot camera Liability disclaimer: Modifications, prior sale and errors excepted. More pictures and videos are available on our homepage. Our comprehensive service includes, for example: * Purchase / sale / rental of commercial vehicles * Fast and uncomplicated financing * Application for all (export) documents * Issuing export license plates / customs plates * Vehicle preparation: new tarpaulins, lettering, paintwork, etc. * Professional loading / load securing * TÜV inspections, registration service * Transfer of commercial vehicles Ask our trained specialists - we are happy to advise you.

Condition: used, mileage: 271,983 km, power: 240 kW (326.31 HP), first registration: 12/2014, fuel type: diesel, empty load weight: 18,035 kg, maximum load weight: 7,965 kg, overall weight: 26,000 kg, tire size: 315/70 22,5, tire condition: 50 %, axle configuration: 6x2, wheelbase: 4,000 mm, color: green, driver cabin: day cab, gearing type: automatic, emission class: euro6, suspension: steel-air, Year of construction: 2014, operating hours: 271,983 h, front tire size: 315/70 22,5, rear tire size: 315/70 22,5, Equipment: ABS, air conditioning, differential lock, fog lights, onboard computer, sliding door, truck registration, Reference Number for inquiries: 69373 Mercedes-Benz Axor * Year of manufacture: 2014 * ABS (Anti-lock Braking System) * EBS (Electronic Braking System) * Power windows * Automatic climate control * Air suspension * Power steering * Seat heating * On-board computer * Differential lock * Video * Digital tachograph * Radio CD * OBU preparation (On-Board Unit) * Electric windows and mirrors * AdBlue tank * Fog lights * Comfort suspension seat * Lane change warning system Bljdpfxev Uht Ae Amyek * Transmission: Automatic * Suspension: Leaf/Air * Gross vehicle weight: 26,000 kg * Unladen weight: 18,035 kg * Payload: 7,965 kg * Permissible total weight: 26,000 kg * Tire condition 1st axle: 70% – 70% - Tire size: 315/70 R22.5 * Tire condition 2nd axle: 30%|30% – 30%|30% - Tire size: 315/70 R22.5 * Tire condition 3rd axle: 70% – 70% - Tire size: 315/70 R22.5 * Wheelbase: 4,000 mm * Tire sizes: 315/70 R22.5 * Body: HS FL-F-XXL37 front loader * Blind spot camera * Upon request, we are happy to send you a video and further photos Liability disclaimer: Subject to change, prior sale, and errors excepted. More pictures and videos are available on our homepage. Our comprehensive service includes e.g.: * Purchase / sale / rental of commercial vehicles * Fast and uncomplicated financing * Procurement of all (export) documents * Arrangement of export license plates / customs plates * Vehicle preparation: new tarpaulins, lettering, painting, etc. * Professional loading / load securing * TÜV approvals, registration service * Transportation of commercial vehicles Please contact our trained specialists for advice – we will be happy to assist you.

Condition: used, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: M237 026, power: 1,600 kW (2,175.39 HP), fuel type: gas, Year of construction: 2005, operating pressure: 10 bar, 2x used steam boiler installation Fabricate: VIESSMANN Type: M237 026 Year: 2005 Steamcapacity: 2.300 kg/h Max. pressure: 10 bar CE 0035 Bljdey Tpm Hepfx Amyjk Complete with appendages, Weisshaupt burner G8/1-D ZMD, controlpanel, economiser, automatic blowdown valve on conductivity, 2 frequency controlled feedwaterpumps, sample cooler. Also 4500 liter cascade deaerator. Available as single boiler or package deal.

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2021, travel distance X-axis: 500 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 700 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 500 mm, number of axes: 3, This 3-axis Hexagon Global S 05.07.05 was manufactured in 2021, featuring a measuring range of X 500mm, Y 700mm, Z 500mm. It includes an indexable swivel head, HH-AS6-T5, and an HP-S-X1S touch probe with a standard styli set. Ideal for precise measurements in extended temperature ranges (16-26 °C). If you are looking to get high-quality measuring capabilities consider the Hexagon Global S 05.07.05 machine we have for sale. Contact us for more information. • Software: PC-DMIS CAD++ • Workstation: PC Dell Precision (i7, 16GB RAM, Quadro P2200) • Controller: DC241 EEC, 230 V • Machine with standard dynamics • Extended operating temperature range: 16–26 °C • Next Jogbox • Sensor for part temperature compensation Additional equipment • Calibration ball, ø 25 mm, ceramic, with stand • Indexable swivel head, HH-AS6-T5 • HP-S-X1S touch probe • Stylus holder, HP-S-X1S Bjdpfx Ajx Imt Homyjlk • Standard stylus set, HP-S-X1S • Automatic stylus magazine HR-X-400 • Multi-port stylus magazine HR-X1-3P (3 ports)

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2021, operating hours: 174 h, power: 12 kW (16.32 HP), lifting height: 16,000 mm, fuel type: electric, color: other, General information Year of manufacture: 2021 Technical information Drive: Wheel Empty weight: 8.400 kg Dimensions (LxBxH): 496 x 235 x 315 cm Functional Lifting capacity: 750 kg Working height: 1.800 cm CE mark: yes Condition Technical condition: very good Visual appearance: very good Bljdpfxoy S Rmlo Amyjk Damages: none = Additional options and accessories = - Non marking tires - Support legs = Remarks = General Country of production: Frankrijk Condition Overhauled: × XL platform, 2 x extendable, Non-marking tires, Fully electric

Condition: ready for operation (used), functionality: fully functional, Year of construction: 2005, operating hours: 19,670 h, controller model: PRIMACH 20L, laser power: 4,000 W, travel distance X-axis: 3,000 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 1,500 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 150 mm, TECHNICAL DETAILS X-axis travel: 3,000 mm Y-axis travel: 1,500 mm Z-axis travel: 150 mm Working area: 3,000 x 1,500 mm Laser source: CP 4000 Laser power: 4,000 W MACHINE DETAILS Control model: PRIMACH 20L Bjdpfxey D Icus Amyelk EQUIPMENT Extraction system

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 1998, A stationary Hess concrete block step tilting mold machine is available. Production area X/Y: 750mm/1500mm, production height: 300mm, board dimensions X/Y/Z: 1700mm/550mm/300mm, board material: aluminum, number of boards: 290, vibration stations: 2, vibration station type: HFZ 2500, vibration force: 89.5kN, available mold types: block step chamfer/block step Ortenau/deep curb, control system: Siemens PLC. Including transport conveyor with 180° turning device and two lifting devices, lifting ladder, transfer car, lowering ladder, board discharge, board cleaning and board buffer. The compact external vibrators were converted to load vibrators. This is a complete system with peripheral and conveyor units. Documentation vorhanden. An on-site inspection is possible. Blsdpfx Asy Rtg Semyok

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 1988, 1 x oil-flooded single bar feeder LNS Hydrobar 6.60 HS-4,4 Year of manufacture: 1988 In good condition. Technical data: Diameter: 28/36/44/52/58/63 mm Bar length: 3,100 mm Accessories: Machine feet The feeder can be inspected at our warehouse in Reichenbach. Bledpfsvawtpsx Amyjk

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2013, Used automatic band saw MEP SHARK 310 CNC HS Blade dimensions: 4640x34x1.1 mm Variable blade cutting speed: 15–115 m/min Cutting capacity: round 310 mm, square 310x310 mm Automatic blade tensioner Automatic chip conveyor Additional equipment: vertical vise Machine weight: 2200 kg Bledsyyuxnopfx Amysk The machine is in excellent condition and will be fully inspected and serviced.

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2004, Used Safan E Brake press brake Type: E Brake 50 2050 HS TS1 Capacity: 2050 x 50 ton WIla clamping with 1 set of tools TS1 CNC control Bljdpfxeyykk Hj Amyjk Y1, Y2, X, R, Z1 and Z2 CNC controlled HS High Speed version

Condition: new, 230 mm 230 x 230 mm saw band length 2950 x 27 x 0,9 mm band speed 15 - 100 m/min total power requirement 2,2 kW weight of the machine ca. 1,2 t SHARK 230-1 NC HS 5.0, electro-hydraulic two-column fully automatic band saw with semi-automatic function for 0° cuts of mild steel, stainless steel, Steel alloys, solid and profile material, with a maximum remaining piece length of 60 mm. - The cross section is max. 230x230 mm. - Numerically controlled band saw machines with the new, specially designed by MEP developed for Automatic Windows “CE” based E FEATURES: - User interface with 7” touch screen display and mechanical buttons for the operating functions of the sawing machine, guaranteed reliable Operation, simple and intuitive, and real-time control of all Cutting parameters. - Safety enclosure in accordance with the latest safety regulations Machinery Directive EN 13898/2007. - New fieldbus communication system with double microprocessor Serial connection. - Robust cast iron structure (G25) to compensate for vibrations Improve machine stability and protect the saw band Bjdpsfg E Hyofx Amyelk

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2001, turning diameter 280 mm turning length 400 mm control Fanuc 18 T spindle bore diameter 51 mm number of controlled axis 2 turning speed range 0 - 4000 U/min rapid speed 30 m/min number of tapers in turret head 12 VDI 40 tail stock Ja Bjdjyxr Hgepfx Amyelk dimensions 3,9 x 1,6 x 2,1 m weight 4,0 t weight of the machine ca. 3,9 t power requirement 15 kW Used CNC- Lahte with box way, 2 axis - 3 jaw chuck Ø 200 mm - chip conveyor - oil dust collector

Condition: new, functionality: fully functional, power: 15 kW (20.39 HP), gearing type: hydrostat, fuel type: diesel, fuel consumption per hour: 2.5 l/h, fuel tank capacity: 20 l, color: blue, overall weight: 970 kg, empty load weight: 970 kg, maximum load weight: 1,000 kg, lifting power: 1,000 kg/m, tire size: Rubberen rupsbanden 230 mm, tire condition: 100 %, drive condition: 100 %, chain condition: 100 %, number of seats: 1, emission class: euro5, shovel volume: 0.52 m³, digging bucket width: 990 mm, Year of construction: 2023, Equipment: UVV, hydraulics, low noise, parking heater, rubber tracks, soot filter, traction control, === KEY SPECIFICATIONS === Year: 2023 Operating hours: 0 h Machine type: Crawler dumper (with 180° swivel skip) Power: Diesel Operating weight: 970 kg Load capacity: 1,000 kg Max. working height / reach: n/a Dimensions (L × W × H): approx. 2,700 × 990 × 1,400 mm Travel speed: 2.6 – 5 km/h Tracks: Rubber, 230 mm wide, grease tensioner Cab: Open Air conditioning: No CE certification: Yes Emission class: Stage V === HIGHLIGHTS === Bjdjxb Suajpfx Amyjlk Carefully selected from trusted sources with verifiable history. CE certified and supplied with complete technical documentation. Compact design with 180° swivel skip for increased versatility on site. Well suited for construction, landscaping, and confined working areas. Powered by a reliable and fuel-efficient Kubota D722 Stage V diesel engine. === CONDITION === Brand new 2023 machine with 0 operating hours. Fully tested and ready for immediate use. Inspection available upon request. === LOCATION & DELIVERY === Located in Sittard, the Netherlands. Worldwide delivery available. Price € 18.500 (EXW / excl. VAT). This compact, tracked mini dumper is ideal for working in confined spaces. Its robust hydraulic system allows precise movement and stable operation on slopes up to 36%. With a high load capacity of 520 kg, it is well suited for construction and demolition tasks. Easy to transport, low operating costs, and ready for immediate use. === DELIVERY === Crane loading available upon request. Flexible worldwide shipping options tailored to your needs. All transport handled professionally by the Collé Rental & Sales logistics team

Condition: new, functionality: fully functional, overall weight: 2,500 kg, total length: 4,200 mm, total width: 2,500 mm, total height: 2,170 mm, travel distance X-axis: 390 mm, controller manufacturer: Siemens, controller model: 840D sl + ShopTurn mit „manual machine“, turning diameter over cross slide: 370 mm, bed width: 433 mm, center height: 315 mm, center width: 2,000 mm, quill diameter: 100 mm, quill stroke: 200 mm, rapid traverse Z-axis: 8 m/min, rapid traverse X-axis: 8 m/min, spindle bore: 140 mm, spindle speed (max.): 2,500 rpm, spindle speed (min.): 2 rpm, turning diameter over bed slide: 630 mm, Equipment: rotational speed infinitely variable, Swing over bed: 630 mm Center distance: 2000 mm Maximum speed range: 2500 rpm Spindle power (100% duty cycle): 20 kW (AC drive) Bljdpewgbuiefx Amysk Spindle mount: Camlock D11 Spindle bore: 140 mm Included equipment includes: - 8-station SAUTER VDI-40 turret - Movable control panel along the entire length - Chip conveyor - Siemens AC servo motors - Siemens power supply and amplifier modules - Automatic (or via M function) gear change (2 speeds) - Machining area covered by two sliding doors - Operating mode 1 and operating mode 2 (setup mode at 5 rpm) - Siemens 840D sl ShopTurn control system with "manual machine" - 15-inch touchscreen format 16:9 - With manual machines, cycles can be executed without creating a program header. - Siemens control option: residual material detection. - Absolute encoder (i.e., no reference point travel required). - USB interface on the control panel. - Manual tailstock with drag device and 100 mm spindle diameter. - Automatic central lubrication. - Coolant system.

Year of construction: 1990, condition: good (used), machine/vehicle number: 603, working width: 3050 mm metal sheet thickness: 6 mm rear stop: 650 mm Bjdpfjdzrpwsx Amyjlk power: 380 V, 16 kW space needed: 3680 x 2060 x 1870 mm weight: 7580 kg

Condition: ready for operation (used), machine/vehicle number: 5722, table mounting size: 190 x 710 mm table movement x: 390/360 mm table movement y: 150 mm table movement z: 280 mm spindle taper: SK 40 spindle turning speed range: 100 - 3100 rpm carriages longitudinal: 0 - 600 mm/min Bjdpeflrg Tefx Amyjlk electrical connection: 380 V, ca. 1,5 kW space needed: 1400 x 1200 x 1500 mm weight: ca. 680 kg

Condition: new, capacity 90 degrees: round 350 mm Bedpfx Ameyv Nd Rjyjlk capacity 90 degrees: square 350 mm dimensions of saw-band 4640x34,1,1 mm 355 mm sawband speed 15-115 m/min weight of the machine ca. 2800 kg dimensions of the machine ca. 3050x2190x2200 mm

Year of construction: 2021, operating hours: 2 h, condition: new, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: 211 02 24, We offer the following for sale: For sale: GLOBAL Vacuum Presses GGTP-P-3116 Professional membrane vacuum press in excellent, like-new condition. The machine has only been used once and is virtually brand new. This equipment is an ideal choice for furniture manufacturing and woodworking applications: perfect for foil lamination, veneering, and precision pressing of curved and flat surfaces. It features a robust design, reliable operation, and uniform pressure distribution. Bsdpfxsy Dhr No Amyolk Key features: - Model: GGTP-P-3116 Professional - Working area: approx. 3100 × 1600 mm - Membrane vacuum technology for precise and even pressing - Suitable for applying PVC foil, veneer, and other coatings - Sturdy, industrial-grade construction - Easy to operate Serial number: 2110224 Weight: 640 kg Year of manufacture: 2021 Pressure: 9.9 T/m² Power: 1.5 kW Frequency: 50 Hz Phases/Voltage: 3+N / 380 V Current consumption: 2.2 A If you have any questions or require further information, please send us a message or call us. The machine is ready for immediate use, in as-new condition, and can be tested on site.

Condition: used, mileage: 355,000 km, power: 96 kW (130.52 HP), first registration: 05/2009, fuel type: diesel, axle configuration: 4x2, fuel: diesel, color: white, gearing type: mechanical, emission class: euro4, suspension: steel, Year of construction: 2009, ENGINE SEIZED DOES NOT RUN = Further information = Bledpfx Amey Az Ibjyok Front axle: Steered Rear axle: Twin tyres; Suspension: Leaf spring suspension Engine displacement: 2,488 cc Unladen weight: 2,568 kg Payload: 920 kg Gross vehicle weight: 3,500 kg Technical condition: poor

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2014, operating hours: 24,209 h, travel distance X-axis: 730 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 400 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 360 mm, controller manufacturer: FANUC, spindle speed (max.): 12,000 rpm, spindle motor power: 7,500 W, number of axes: 4, This 4-axis CHIRON FZ 15 W Magnum HS vertical machining center was manufactured in 2014. Ideal for precision machining, it offers robust construction and reliability. Consider the opportunity to buy this CHIRON FZ 15 W Magnum HS vertical machining center. Contact us for more information. Machine Benefits Technical Machine Benefits • Number of tools per spindle: 48 • Tool holder: hsk-a 63 • Main spindle max. Torque: 95 nm Bljdpfx Aex D Nl Uomyok Extra Information Machine still under power

Condition: new, neu ca. 10 Wochen ab Auftrags Türkei 55900 € 1056.51 € 3100 mm 9 mm 8 mm 7 mm 7 mm 5 mm 245 mm 245 mm 180 mm 1,5 / 6 m/min 7.5 kW 5350 mm 1600 mm 1470 mm Bljdpfx Aoyb Sz Ijmyjk 6850 kg 4 rolls Top rolll driven by hydromotor and planetary gearbox, bottom roll driven by gear and cardan system Pinch roll and latereal rolls move with hydraulic cylinders Digital read-out for lower and side rolls position Hardened rolls Conical bending device Hydraulic load relieving of upper roll Hydraulic drop-end bearing 2 working speeds Protectionagainst overload Moveable control pane According to CE rules OPTIONAL EQUIPMENT: Infinitely adustable speed of rolls Hydraulic side support Hydraulic top support NC control IMPORTANT ISSUES AT CONICAL BENDING: The max. sheet metal thickness isequivalent to 50 % of nominal capacity The cone length can be max. 30 % oremust be more than 60 % of roll length Hardened rolls are recommended

Condition: new, neu ca. 10 Wochen ab Auftrags Türkei 48100 € 918.71 € 2550 mm 9 mm 9 mm 7 mm 7 mm 5 mm 220 mm 220 mm 160 mm 1,5 / 6 m/min 5.5 kW 4900 mm 1150 mm 1250 mm 4600 kg 4 rolls Top rolll driven by hydromotor and planetary gearbox, bottom roll driven by gear and cardan system Pinch roll and latereal rolls move with hydraulic cylinders Digital read-out for lower and side rolls position Hardened rolls Conical bending device Hydraulic load relieving of upper roll Hydraulic drop-end bearing 2 working speeds Protectionagainst overload Moveable control pane According to CE rules Bljdpeyb Sywefx Amyok OPTIONAL EQUIPMENT: Infinitely adustable speed of rolls Hydraulic side support Hydraulic top support NC control IMPORTANT ISSUES AT CONICAL BENDING: The max. sheet metal thickness isequivalent to 50 % of nominal capacity The cone length can be max. 30 % oremust be more than 60 % of roll length Hardened rolls are recommended

Condition: new, neu ca. 10 Wochen ab Auftrags Türkei 49900 € 953.09 € 2050 mm 13 mm 13 mm 10 mm 10 mm 8 mm 245 mm 245 mm 180 mm 1,5 / 6 m/min 7.5 kW 4300 mm 1600 mm 1470 mm 5450 kg 4 rolls Top rolll driven by hydromotor and planetary gearbox, bottom roll driven by gear and cardan system Pinch roll and latereal rolls move with hydraulic cylinders Digital read-out for lower and side rolls position Hardened rolls Conical bending device Hydraulic load relieving of upper roll Hydraulic drop-end bearing 2 working speeds Protectionagainst overload Moveable control pane According to CE rules OPTIONAL EQUIPMENT: Infinitely adustable speed of rolls Hydraulic side support Hydraulic top support NC control IMPORTANT ISSUES AT CONICAL BENDING: The max. sheet metal thickness isequivalent to 50 % of nominal capacity The cone length can be max. 30 % oremust be more than 60 % of roll length Hardened rolls are recommended Bljdjyb Sydepfx Amyek

Condition: new, neu ca. 10 Wochen ab Auftrags Türkei 31600 € 603.56 € 2050 mm 6 mm 6 mm 4 mm 4 mm 3 mm 150 mm 150 mm 130 mm 1,5 / 6 m/min 4 kW 4250 mm 960 mm Bjdsyb Szbepfx Amyjlk 1100 mm 2800 kg 4 rolls Top rolll driven by hydromotor and planetary gearbox, bottom roll driven by gear and cardan system Pinch roll and latereal rolls move with hydraulic cylinders Digital read-out for lower and side rolls position Hardened rolls Conical bending device Hydraulic load relieving of upper roll Hydraulic drop-end bearing 2 working speeds Protectionagainst overload Moveable control pane According to CE rules OPTIONAL EQUIPMENT: Infinitely adustable speed of rolls Hydraulic side support Hydraulic top support NC control IMPORTANT ISSUES AT CONICAL BENDING: The max. sheet metal thickness isequivalent to 50 % of nominal capacity The cone length can be max. 30 % oremust be more than 60 % of roll length Hardened rolls are recommended