Used Arburg Arburg 320C-600-250 for sale (19,749)

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2001, Arburg 320C 600-250 / machine in very good technical condition Year of manufacture: 2001 injection unit: Screw diameter: 35 mm injection weight: 121 g Injection pressure: 1820 bar Metering volume: 144 ccm Clamping unit: clamping force: 60 t tie bar distance: 320x320 mm size of clamping platens: 446x446 mm ejector: hydraulic clamping unit: hydraulic Control system: SELOGICA Additional equipment: Itedpfx Akey Dp Uljxsf Very good technical condition Machine has produced molded parts for medical industry - pure production conditions Core pull control Injection unit hardened - bimetal Built-in sorting flap Dimensions: Weight: 2330 kg Length/width/height: 3.65x1.48x1.99 m Drive: Pumps/motor: 15 kW Heating power: 6,5 kW Total power: 21,5 kW All offered machines are started by our service technicians before sale. It is possible to get a video of technical tests of the selected machine or participate in live technical tests in our company in Łódź. Price: Upon request

Year of construction: 2003, condition: ready for operation (used), Six Arburg injection molding machines are available. 1) Arburg 320C 600-250, year of manufacture: 2001, operating hours: 83365h, clamping force: 600kN, screw diameter: 30mm, shot weight: 97g, max. injection pressure: 2470bar, shot volume: 106cm³, centering: 125mm/125mm, max. opening stroke: 550mm, platen spacing: 550mm, platen dimensions X/Y: 446mm/446mm, tie bar spacing: 320mm/320mm, core pulls: 2, temperature control units: 6, machine dimensions X/Y: approx. 4000mm/2300mm. Including Multilift handling unit. 2) Arburg 420C 1000-250, year of manufacture: 2001, operating hours: 90769h, clamping force: 1000kN, screw diameter: 30mm, shot weight: 97g, max. injection pressure: 2470bar, shot volume: 106cm³, centering: 125mm/125mm, max. opening stroke: 750mm, platen spacing: 750mm, platen dimensions X/Y: 570mm/570mm, tie bar spacing: 420mm/420mm, core pulls: 2, machine dimensions X/Y: approx. 4700mm/2350mm. Including Multilift handling unit. 4) Arburg 320C 300-100, year of manufacture: 2000, operating hours: 78784h, clamping force: 300kN, screw diameter: 20mm, shot weight: 28g, max. injection pressure: 2500bar, shot volume: 31cm³, centering: 125mm/110mm, max. opening stroke: 350mm, platen spacing: 350mm, platen dimensions X/Y: 446mm/446mm, tie bar spacing: 320mm/320mm, core pulls: 1, temperature control units: 6. 5) Arburg 220C 250-60, year of manufacture: 2001, operating hours: 86595h, clamping force: 250kN, screw diameter: 22mm, shot weight: 27g, max. injection pressure: 2340bar, shot volume: 30cm³, centering: 110mm/110mm, max. opening stroke: 425mm, platen spacing: 425mm, platen dimensions X/Y: 400mm/400mm, tie bar spacing: 221mm/221mm, core pulls: 1, temperature control units: 6. 6) Arburg 270C 300-100, year of manufacture: 2007, operating hours: 59885h, clamping force: 300kN, screw diameter: 20mm, shot weight: 28g, max. injection pressure: 2500bar, shot volume: 31cm³, centering: 110mm/110mm, max. opening stroke: 550mm, platen spacing: 550mm, platen dimensions X/Y: 446mm/446mm, tie bar spacing: 270mm/270mm, core pulls: 2, temperature control units: 6, machine dimensions X/Y: approx. 3750mm/2400mm. Including Multilift handling unit. 7) Arburg 220S 250-60, year of manufacture: 2001, operating hours: 57504h, clamping force: 250kN, screw diameter: 18mm/22mm, shot weight: 18g/27g, max. injection pressure: 2500bar/2340bar, shot volume: 20cm³/30cm³, centering: 110mm/110mm, max. opening stroke: 425mm, platen spacing: 425mm, platen dimensions X/Y: 400mm/400mm, tie bar spacing: 221mm/221mm, core pulls: 1, temperature control units: 6, machine dimensions X/Y: approx. 3300mm/1100mm. Documentation available. An on-site inspection is possible. Iodpfx Akjtyyn Hjxetf

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2008, operating hours: 76,550 h, clamping force: 600 kN, screw diameter: 35 mm, clearance between the columns: 320 mm, displacement volume: 144 cm³, injection pressure: 1,820 bar, injection weight: 132 g, mold height (min.): 200 mm, Arburg 320C-600-250 (238) possibility of working vertically Number: 238 Availability: in stock Year of production: 2008 Producer: Arburg Screw diameter [mm]: 35 Injection weight [g]: 132 Injection pressure [bar]: 1820 Column spacing [mm]: 320×320 Plate size [mm]: 446x446 Min. form height [mm]: 200 Control type: Selogica Tongue: german Itedpjwwknajfx Akxof Installed power [kW]: 23.9 Working hours [h]: 76550 Weight [kg]: 2330 Dimensions [mm]: 3500×1500 Feed hopper: NO Robot nest: Yes Core string: 1x

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2008, operating hours: 74,753 h, clamping force: 600 kN, screw diameter: 35 mm, clearance between the columns: 320 mm, displacement volume: 144 cm³, injection pressure: 1,820 bar, injection weight: 132 g, mold height (min.): 200 mm, Arburg 320C-600-250 injection molding machine (241) possibility of working vertically Itodpsw R Tixefx Akxsf Number: 241 Availability: in stock Year of production: 2008 Screw diameter [mm]: 35 Injection weight [g]: 132 Injection pressure [bar]: 1820 Closing force [kN]: 600 Column spacing [mm]: 320×320 Plate size [mm]: 446 x 446 Min. mold height [mm]: 200 Control type: Selogica Tongue: german Installed power [kW]: 23.9 Working hours [h]: 74753 Weight [kg]: 2330 Dimensions [mm]: 3500×1500 Feed hopper: NO Robot socket: Yes Core string: 1x

Year of construction: 1999, condition: ready for operation (used), Max. clamping force: 500kN, opening stroke: 350mm, tool installation height: 200mm, heating output: 6.5kW, screw diameter: 40mm, weight: 2.33t, no documentation available. Itodjilhfcspfx Akxjf

Condition: good (used), 1x Arburg 320C 500-170 with Multilift, safety fence, and discharge conveyor. Sold without Z-belt conveyor, temperature control units, and Koch vacuum loader. The machine is available at short notice by arrangement. Itedoyym Sajpfx Akxof

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 1999, ARBURG 420C 800-250 with the sprue picker anvil+long leg Year of manufacture: 1999 Itodpfx Aksy Dqcdoxjf injection unit: Screw diameter: 40 mm injection weight: 158 g injection pressure: 1390 bar Metering volume: 188 ccm Clamping unit: clamping force: 80 t tie bar distance: 420x420 mm size of clamping platens: 570x570 mm ejector: hydraulic clamping unit: hydraulic Control system: SELOGICA Additional equipment: Euromap 12 Robot interface Control with air valve Core pull control Injection unit hardened - bimetal Dimensions: Weight: 3180 kg length/width/height: 4.30x1.64x2.08 m Drive: Pumps/motor: 15 kW Heating power: 6,5 kW Total power: 21,5 kW All offered machines are started by our service technicians before sale. It is possible to get a video of technical tests of the selected machine or participate in live technical tests in our company in Łódź. Price: Upon request

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2004, Arburg 420C 800-250 with the Wittmann W721 robot Year of construction: 2004 Injection unit: Screw diameter: 30 mm Injection weight: 89 g Injection pressure: 2470 bar Dosing volume: 106 ccm Clamping unit: Clamping force: 80 t Distance between tie bars: 420x420 mm Size of the clamping platens: 570x570 mm Itodpey Dqbyjfx Akxsf Ejector: hydraulic Clamping unit: hydraulic Control system: SELOGICA Additional equipment: Euromap 67 Robot interface Air valve x 2 Hydraulic core pull x 2 Control unit with hot runners Hardened injection unit - bimetal Proportional valve on the injection unit - precise injection Built-in pressure quality control system from Sensor Kistler - mold pressure measurement Original mold crane Robot Wittmann W721 Year of manufacture: 2007 4-axis robot: 3 axes are driven by servomotors (electric); axis C Travel in axes: X-550, Y-1200, Z-1250 Touch control panel Robot with adapter Purchase of the robot for an additional charge Dimensions Weight: 3180 kg Length/width/height: 4.30x1.64x2.08 m Drive: Pumps/motor: 15 kW Heating output: 6.5 kW Total output: 21.5 kW All offered machines are started by our service technicians before sale. It is possible to obtain a video of the technical tests of the selected machine or participate in live technical tests at our company in Łódź. Price: On request

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2004, Arburg 420C 800-250 Year of manufacture: 2004 Injection unit: Screw diameter: 30 mm Shot weight: 89 g Injection pressure: 2470 bar Dosage volume: 106 ccm Clamping unit: Clamping force: 80 t Tie bar spacing: 420x420 mm Platen size: 570x570 mm Ejector: hydraulic Clamping unit: hydraulic Control: SELOGICA Additional equipment: Euromap 67 Robot interface Hydraulic core pull x 1 Injection unit hardened – bimetallic Itsdpfx Aksy Dqbtexef Dimensions: Weight: 3180 kg Length/Width/Height: 4.30x1.64x2.08 m Drive: Pump/motor: 15 kW Heating capacity: 6.5 kW Total power: 21.5 kW All machines offered are started up by our service engineers before sale. It is possible to receive a video of the technical tests of the selected machine or to participate in live technical demonstrations at our facility in Łódź. Price: On request

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 1999, Arburg 420C 800-250 Year of manufacture: 1999 injection unit: Screw diameter: 35 mm Injection weight: 121 g Injection pressure: 1820 bar Metering volume: 144 ccm Clamping unit: clamping force: 80 t tie bar distance: 420x420 mm size of clamping platens: 570x570 mm ejector: hydraulic clamping unit: hydraulic Control system: SELOGICA Additional equipment: Very good technical condition Machine has produced molded parts for medical industry - pure production conditions Euromap 12 Robot interface Core pull control injection unit hardened - bimetal Dimensions: Weight: 3180 kg length/width/height: 4.30x1.64x2.08 m Drive: Pumps/motor: 15 kW Heating power: 6,5 kW Total power: 21,5 kW Itodsy Dqa Ajpfx Akxof All offered machines are started by our service technicians before sale. It is possible to get a video of technical tests of the selected machine or participate in live technical tests in our company in Łódź. Price: Upon request

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2005, Arburg 320K 700-250 with the side robot Arburg Multilift H Year of manufacture: 2005 injection unit: Screw diameter: 40 mm injection weight: 158 g injection pressure: 1390 bar Metering volume: 188 ccm Clamping unit : clamping force: 70 t tie bar distance: 320x320 mm size of clamping platens: 476x476 mm ejector: hydraulic clamping unit: toggle lever Control system: SELOGICA Additional equipment: Air valve x 3 Control with hot runners injection unit hardened - bimetal Central lubrication Dimensions: Weight: 2350 kg length/width/height: 3.37x1.45x1.99 m Drive: Pumps/motor: 15 kW Heating power: 6,1 kW Total power: 21,1 kW All offered machines are started by our service technicians before sale. Itjdpfjy Dp U Sox Akxsf It is possible to get a video of technical tests of the selected machine or participate in live technical tests in our company in Łódź. Price: Upon request

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2008, Arburg 370S 600-70 Year of manufacture: 2008 Injection Unit: Screw diameter: 25 mm Shot weight: 40 g Injection pressure: 1,550 bar Metering volume: 44 cm³ Clamping Unit: Clamping force: 60 t Tie bar spacing: 370 x 370 mm Platen size: 510 x 510 mm Ejector: hydraulic Clamping unit: hydraulic Control system: SELOGICA - Touchscreen Additional equipment: - Euromap 67 - Robot interface - 8x air valves - 1x hydraulic core pull - Controller for hot runner (6 zones) - Injection unit: hardened, bimetallic Itodpey Dp U Ejfx Akxof - Integrated sorting flap - Integrated original Arburg side gate picker - Option to set up vertical injection unit using special brackets - Screw diameter can be changed to 22, 25, or 30 mm Dimensions: Weight: 3,160 kg Length/Width/Height: 3.48 x 1.46 x 2.03 m All machines offered are started and tested by our technicians prior to sale. A video of the technical tests for the selected machine can be provided, or live technical tests can be attended at our facility in Łódź. Price: On request

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2011, Arburg 370H 600-100 / Hybrid Machine Itodpey Dp Urefx Akxjf Year of manufacture: November 2011 Injection unit: Screw diameter: 20 mm Injection weight: 29 g Injection pressure: 2500 bar Dosing volume: 31 cc Clamping unit: Clamping force: 60 t Type distance: 370 x 370 mm Clamping platen size: 510 x 510 mm Ejector: electric Clamping unit: toggle-type Control system: SELOGICA - touchscreen Additional equipment: Hybrid machine: high-speed, energy-saving, and very quiet Euromap 67 Robot interface Air valve x 3 Hydraulic core pull x 1 Control system with hot runners x 12 Hardened injection unit - bimetal Main machine motor - servo motor driven by an inverter - energy saving The injection unit is driven by the servo motor Driven by an inverter Machine with cylinder/battery with compressed nitrogen (additional charging for fast work) Central lubrication Dimensions: Weight: 3190 kg Length/Width/Height: 3.68 x 1.45 x 2.04 m All offered machines are started by our service technicians before sale. It is possible to receive a video of the technical tests of the selected machine or participate in live technical tests at our facility in Łódź. Price: Upon request

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 1995, Arburg 370C 600-100 Year of construction: 1995 Ijdpfx Akjy Dp T Uoxjtf Injection unit: Screw diameter: 30 mm Injection weight: 59 g Injection pressure: 1550 bar Dosing volume: 70 ccm Clamping unit: Clamping force: 60 t Distance between tie bars: 370x370 mm Size of the clamping platens: 570x570 mm Ejector: hydraulic Clamping unit: hydraulic Control system: DIALOGICA Additional equipment: Air valve x 1 Hydraulic core pull x 2 Dimensions: Weight: 3600 kg Length/width/height: 4.30x1.59x2.08 m Drive: Pumps/motor: 11 kW Heating output: 4.2 kW Total output: 15.2 kW All offered machines are started by our service technicians before sale. It is possible to obtain a video of the technical tests of the selected machine or participate in live technical tests at our company in Łódź. Price: On request

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2014, Arburg 320C 500-170 e² / Hybrid Machine Year of manufacture: 2014 Injection Unit: Screw diameter: 30 mm Shot weight: 77 g Injection pressure: 2000 bar Dosing volume: 85 ccm Clamping Unit: Clamping force: 50 t Tie bar distance: 320x320 mm Platen size: 446x446 mm Ejector: hydraulic Clamping unit: hydraulic Control system: SELOGICA - Touchscreen Additional equipment: Hybrid machine: energy-saving and very quiet Operating hours: 48,000 h in automatic mode Air valve x 2 Core pull control Controller with 8 hot runner zones Injection unit hardened - bimetallic Main motor of the machine: servo motor with inverter – energy-saving Proportional valve on the injection unit – for precise injection Dimensions: Weight: 2210 kg Length/Width/Height: 3.41x1.43x1.99 m All machines offered are started up by our service technicians prior to sale. It is possible to receive a video of the technical tests for the selected machine or to participate in live technical tests at our company in Łódź. Iodpfxey Dp T Ij Akxotf Price: On request

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2006, Arburg 320C 500-170 with the Wittmann W811 robot Year of construction: 12/2006 Injection unit: Screw diameter: 30 mm Injection weight: 77 g Injection pressure: 2000 bar Dosing volume: 85 ccm Clamping unit: Clamping force: 50 t Distance between tie bars: 320x320 mm Size of the clamping platens: 446x446 mm Ejector: hydraulic Clamping unit: hydraulic Control system: SELOGICA touchscreen Additional equipment: Euromap 67 Robot interface Air valve x 1 Hydraulic core pull x 1 Hardened injection unit - bimetal Proportional valve on the injection unit - precise injection Built-in sorting flap Robot Wittmann W811 Year of construction: 2010 4-axis robot: 3 axes are driven by servomotors (electric); axis C - pneumatic Travel in axes: X-420, Y-1200, Z-1500 Touch control panel The safety package for robots Robot with adapter, protective housing Purchase of the robot for an additional charge Dimensions Weight: 2400 kg Length/width/height: 3.41x1.47x1.99 m Drive: Pumps/motor: 11 kW Heating output: 9.4 kW Iedpfx Akjy Dp Tnjxjtf Total output: 20.4 kW All offered machines are started by our service technicians before sale. It is possible to obtain a video of the technical tests of the selected machine or participate in live technical tests at our company in Łódź. Price: On request

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2004, Arburg 320C 500-100 / Excellent technical condition Year of construction: 10.2004 Injection unit: Screw diameter: 25 mm Injection weight: 45 g Injection pressure: 2000 bar Metering volume: 49 ccm Clamping unit: Clamping force: 50 t Distance between tie bars: 320x320 mm Size of the clamping platens: 446x446 mm Ejector: hydraulic Clamping unit: hydraulic Control system: SELOGICA Additional equipment: The machine is in excellent technical condition and was used for testing injection molds Operating hours: 25,739 h in automatic mode Total number of operating hours: 30,661 h Hydraulic core pull x 1 Reinforced injection units - bimetal Proportional valve on the injection unit - precise injection Built-in pressure quality control system from the Sensor Kistler brand - mold pressure measurement It is possible to change the screw diameter to smaller or larger: 20 mm or 30 mm Dimensions Weight: 2300 kg Length/width/height: 3.18x1.47x1.99 m Iodpfjy Dp Tbox Akxjtf Drive: Pump/motor: 15 kW Heating output: 4.9 kW Total output: 19.9 kW All offered machines are started by our service technicians before sale. It is possible to obtain a video of the technical tests of the selected machine or participate in live technical tests at our company in Łódź. Price: On request

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2004, Arburg 320C 500-250 Year of manufacture: 2004 Injection unit: Screw diameter: 35 mm Shot weight: 121 g Injection pressure: 1,820 bar Shot volume: 144 cc Itjdpfxsy Dp S Ro Akxef Clamping unit: Clamping force: 50 t Tie bar spacing: 320x320 mm Platen size: 446x446 mm Ejector: hydraulic Clamping unit: hydraulic Control system: SELOGICA Additional equipment: Euromap 12 Robot interface Air valve x 1 Hydraulic core pull x 1 Injection unit hardened – bimetallic Dimensions: Weight: 2,330 kg Length/Width/Height: 3.41x1.47x1.99 m Drive: Pump/motor: 15 kW Heating capacity: 6.5 kW Total power: 21.5 kW All machines offered are started up by our service technicians prior to sale. It is possible to receive a video of the technical tests of the selected machine or to participate in live technical tests at our facility in Łódź. Price: On request

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2011, Arburg 320C 500-170 Year of construction: 2011 Injection unit: Screw diameter: 35 mm Injection weight: 105 g Injection pressure: 1470 bar Metering volume: 115 ccm Clamping unit: Clamping force: 50 t Distance between tie bars: 320x320 mm Itodpfxsy Dp Ske Akxef Size of the clamping platens: 446x446 mm Ejector: hydraulic Clamping unit: hydraulic Control system: SELOGICA touchscreen Additional equipment: Operating hours: approx. 35,000 h in automatic mode Control system with air valve Core pull control Hardened injection unit - bimetal Proportional valve on the injection unit - precise injection Original Demag mold crane: chain, electrically controlled, 2 lifting speeds Dimensions: Weight: 2310 kg Length/width/height: 3.41x1.47x1.99 m Drive: Pumps/motor: 11 kW Heating output: 9.4 kW Total output: 20.4 kW All offered machines are started by our service technicians before sale. It is possible to obtain a video of the technical tests of the selected machine or participate in live technical tests at our company in Łódź. Price: On request

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 1999, Arburg 221KS 250-75 / Universal machine Year of manufacture: 1999 injection unit: Screw diameter: 20 mm injection weight: 26 g Injection pressure: 2350 bar Metering volume: 31 ccm Clamping unit: Clamping force: 25 t tie bar distance: 221 mm size of clamping platens: 342x250 mm ejector: hydraulic clamping unit: toggle lever Control system: SELOGICA Additional equipment: Universal machine - injection unit can run both vertically and horizontally Control with air valve Core pull control injection unit hardened - bimetal Clamp for fixing the injection unit vertical Dimensions: Weight: 1150 kg Length/width/height: 2.63x1.34x1.93 m Drive: Pump/motor: 5.5 kW Heating power: 4,6 kW Total power: 10,1 kW All offered machines are started by our service technicians before sale. Itodey Dp Ncopfx Akxsf It is possible to get a video of technical tests of the selected machine or participate in live technical tests in our company in Łódź. Price: Upon request

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2005, operating hours: 40,000 h, clamping force: 25 kN, displacement volume: 440 cm³, injection pressure: 1,550 bar, overall weight: 2,500 kg, screw conveyor diameter: 25 mm, terms of delivery: FCA Pegnitz delivery time: on request terms of payment: 100% prior to delivery Ijdoynbcnopfx Akxjtf

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2002, Machine is in good condition and can be inspected in operation upon appointment. Availability: 06/2026 Full technical specifications in the attached document. Itjdpeyx D Aysfx Akxjf Please note: 5 extra machines are available (ARBURG Allrounder 420C 1000-250) Contact us for more information. Clamping force: 1000 kN Opening force: 35/250 kN Opening stroke: 500 mm Mould installation height (min): 250 mm Distance between platens (max): 750 mm Ejector force: 40 kN Ejector stroke: 175 mm Injection pressure: 2470 / 1820 / 1390 bar Screw diameter: 30 / 35 / 40 mm

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2008, screw size 18 mm closing pressure 250 kN opening stroke max. 350 mm mould space 200 mm control Selogica Number of working hours 52.492 h ARBURG ALLROUNDER 270 S 250-70 – Injection Molding Machine – Year Itodpfeywzv Iox Akxjf ofManufacture: 2008 – Excellent Condition A reliable and proven ARBURG ALLROUNDER 270 S 250-70 injection molding machine, manufactured in 2008, is for sale. The machine is ideal for producing precise plastic parts in small to medium-volume production runs and impresses with its robust construction and the renowned ARBURG quality “Made in Germany.” Technical Highlights: - Clamping force: 250 kN - Injection unit: Size 70 - Screw diameter: approx. 18–25 mm - Injection pressure: up to approx. 2,500 bar - Column spacing: approx. 270 x 270 mm - Platen size: approx. 380 x 380 mm - Connected load: 53 kW Electrical specifications: - Operating voltage: 400 V / 50 Hz - Control voltage: 230 V / 24 V - Total current consumption: 89 A Additional information: - Year of manufacture: 2008 - Manufacturer: ARBURG (Germany) - Machine is robust, durable, and easy to maintain - Ideal for technical plastic parts and precision applications Advantages: - Proven SELOGICA control system (standard for this series) - Compact design - High process reliability - Long-term availability of spare parts guaranteed Viewing available by appointment. Additional information, photos, or videos available upon request. - Operating hours: 52,492 hours, 7,085,048 cycles - Centring ring mounts: ø125 mm - Blowing unit fitted

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2002, Selling this machine, immediately available. For further details, see the pictures. Isdpfxjyym Rpo Akxstf

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2016, operating hours: 34,000 h, functionality: fully functional, clamping force: 500 kN, screw diameter: 30 mm, clearance between the columns: 320 mm, displacement volume: 85 cm³, injection pressure: 2,000 bar, injection weight: 77 g, ejector force: 30,000 N, Arburg 320C 500-170 Year of manufacture: 2016 Control system: Selogica Operating hours: approx. 34,000h (pump) Screw diameter: 30 mm Shot weight: approx. 77 g/PS Itedeyyd Skopfx Akxof Tie bar spacing: 320 x 320 mm Extras: Core pull Color dosing interface Euromap 67 handling interface Air valve Machine weight: 2,200 kg Machines are available! Subject to changes, prior sale, and errors!